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They ought to do more to at least make students feel less discriminated against. The question is really how to add transparency and systemization to the proces

They ought to do more to at least make students feel less discriminated against. The question is really how to add transparency and systemization to the process in a way that cannot be gamed. I don’t think everyone believes standardized testing is the answer, so what is it? My personal opinion is that they will actually create separate admissions pools, under the cover of the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences. The transparency will be about “Fine, for this specific program, we will simply admit the top 400 test scorers” or whatever. Each department will have its own admissions policy and students will be able to choose which to apply to. Everyone gets the same education, opportunities and degree. They will wind up with the same exact class but at least the deal being cut with students is more transparent.

cpr 7y ago
This is a truly hard problem. I read somewhere (citation needed) that if truly race-blind admissions were used in the UC system, they'd have 98% Asian students. (As a dead white male, that's amusing. Just shows how culture affects outcomes.)
- Glyptodon 7y ago
  Does this mean 98% of the students meeting guaranteed UC admission thresholds are Asian or is that something California did away with? (IE ~98% of the top 9% however that's defined I think.)
  - CallOfTheWilde 7y ago
    This only applies to the "least elite" UC schools (Merced and Riverside, or perhaps just Merced at this point).
moate 7y ago
>>The question is really how to add transparency and systemization to the process in a way that cannot be gamed. You can't make a system that can't be gamed if there's people making judgement calls involved. You can't build a perfect system that makes everyone happy. You just need to build a system you're happy with. No matter what you do, someone with a 4.0 isn't getting into Harvard, and they're going to be pissed about that.

cpr 7y ago

This is a truly hard problem. I read somewhere (citation needed) that if truly race-blind admissions were used in the UC system, they'd have 98% Asian students. (As a dead white male, that's amusing. Just shows how culture affects outcomes.)

Glyptodon 7y ago
Does this mean 98% of the students meeting guaranteed UC admission thresholds are Asian or is that something California did away with? (IE ~98% of the top 9% however that's defined I think.)
- CallOfTheWilde 7y ago
  This only applies to the "least elite" UC schools (Merced and Riverside, or perhaps just Merced at this point).

moate 7y ago

>>The question is really how to add transparency and systemization to the process in a way that cannot be gamed. You can't make a system that can't be gamed if there's people making judgement calls involved. You can't build a perfect system that makes everyone happy. You just need to build a system you're happy with. No matter what you do, someone with a 4.0 isn't getting into Harvard, and they're going to be pissed about that.