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> The Revolutionary War was not a precedent, it was a single violent act by a unified people. What you're talking about is literally the opposite of unification

> The Revolutionary War was not a precedent, it was a single violent act by a unified people. What you're talking about is literally the opposite of unification. You dropped this when you quoted me. I wonder why... To think that we should resort to violence instead of using the systems in place for peaceful negotiations is insane. Also, interesting how you only quoted slave-owning inspirations of Southern Democrats, who buried their heads in the sand, preferring to talk high mindedly in their ivory towers about the Constitution than actually fix the immense problems facing the people they purportedly wanted to help.

CapricornNoble 7y ago
>>>You dropped this when you quoted me. I wonder why... There was nothing particularly egregious about that particular statement. I didn't feel a response was necessary. >>>To think that we should resort to violence instead of using the systems in place for peaceful negotiations is insane. Soap box --> ballot box --> ammo box. There is a spectrum of methods for effecting change. If people are reaching for the ammo box, it SHOULD only be because all attempts to utilize other methods have already conclusively failed. >>>Also, interesting how you only quoted slave-owning inspirations of Southern Democrats They were the first ones I came across in a 30-second Internet search for "Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment" or "Founding Fathers on tyranny". A further search for non-slaving owning Founding Fathers reveals [Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams, John Adams]. "In a state of tranquility, wealth, and luxury, our descendants would forget the arts of war and the noble activity and zeal which made their ancestors invincible. Every art of corruption would be employed to loosen the bond of union which renders our resistance formidable. When the spirit of liberty which now animates our hearts and gives success to our arms is extinct, our numbers will accelerate our ruin and render us easier victims to tyranny." ~ Samuel Adams[1] Thomas Paine doesn't have many juicy tyranny/2A quotes. John Adams seems to take the position that the militia should be an extension of the state security apparatus (my reading of his quote).[2] But anyways, this is all getting away from why I replied at all: you stated there was "no such thing as an American spirit of defending yourself against tyranny" and implied anyone stating such is a liar. That is a blatant falsehood. Positions from the nations founders on tyranny are so easily accessible and, IMO, fairly clear on the subject. So what sort of information have you been exposed to that would ever lead you to hold such a strong, and objectively erroneous, position? [1]https://www.azquotes.com/author/99-Samuel_Adams https://www.azquotes.com/author/99-Samuel_Adams [2]https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Adams#A_Defence_of_the_Constitutions_of_Government_(1787) https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Adams#A_Defence_of_the_Co...

CapricornNoble 7y ago

>>>You dropped this when you quoted me. I wonder why... There was nothing particularly egregious about that particular statement. I didn't feel a response was necessary. >>>To think that we should resort to violence instead of using the systems in place for peaceful negotiations is insane. Soap box --> ballot box --> ammo box. There is a spectrum of methods for effecting change. If people are reaching for the ammo box, it SHOULD only be because all attempts to utilize other methods have already conclusively failed. >>>Also, interesting how you only quoted slave-owning inspirations of Southern Democrats They were the first ones I came across in a 30-second Internet search for "Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment" or "Founding Fathers on tyranny". A further search for non-slaving owning Founding Fathers reveals [Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams, John Adams]. "In a state of tranquility, wealth, and luxury, our descendants would forget the arts of war and the noble activity and zeal which made their ancestors invincible. Every art of corruption would be employed to loosen the bond of union which renders our resistance formidable. When the spirit of liberty which now animates our hearts and gives success to our arms is extinct, our numbers will accelerate our ruin and render us easier victims to tyranny." ~ Samuel Adams[1] Thomas Paine doesn't have many juicy tyranny/2A quotes. John Adams seems to take the position that the militia should be an extension of the state security apparatus (my reading of his quote).[2] But anyways, this is all getting away from why I replied at all: you stated there was "no such thing as an American spirit of defending yourself against tyranny" and implied anyone stating such is a liar. That is a blatant falsehood. Positions from the nations founders on tyranny are so easily accessible and, IMO, fairly clear on the subject. So what sort of information have you been exposed to that would ever lead you to hold such a strong, and objectively erroneous, position? [1]https://www.azquotes.com/author/99-Samuel_Adams https://www.azquotes.com/author/99-Samuel_Adams [2]https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Adams#A_Defence_of_the_Constitutions_of_Government_(1787) https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Adams#A_Defence_of_the_Co...