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>The white men who have been degraded and disowned of their culture, identity, and lands as throngs of foreign legions of "immigrants" are teated better than th

>The white men who have been degraded and disowned of their culture, identity, and lands as throngs of foreign legions of "immigrants" are teated better than they, the heirs of the men that created the civilized world we all benefit from while most immigrants and freeloading types revile and fully disrespect what they have yet never earned As a white man, you lost me completely there. Immigrants are absolutely not treated better than I am anywhere in North America, or in Europe where I've been to date but I'll concede in places where white people are a minority that might not always be true. I haven't given up anything in my life for "foreigners" and I live a very privileged life. As a white man born into this world, you haven't earned anything any other person just born into this world doesn't have. Just because some white people have accomplished something doesn't give you claim or credit for that. In fact, you are reviling (immigration, foreigners) the very thing that gave rise to the west as it is now. The history of the white man is filled with taking ideas and solutions from other cultures and races they encounter and building on them, essentially the same thing you're accusing China of doing unfairly. The concept that the west culture and existence is solely due to "white people" is false and largely has been false from the start. Slavery, abuse, theft and centuries of using and discarding anything and anyone we can to get ahead is a significant part of our history (that includes abusing/slavery of other white men, its not solely a race issue, its a power/money issue). Immigrants, especially second and third generation immigrants often have stronger ties to the country the immigrated to and are more willing to fight for it and die for it as numerous studies ahve shown. The concept that immigrants are freeloaders is false, and easily disproved by any reading of the actual historical development of the western world. The US is a good example, it's made up almost completely of immigrants and their descendants and much of its early success is due to one group of immigrants abusing and using others (Black, Chinese and Irish slave labor/indenturehood among numerous other examples). The most likely people to fight for the west and defend its existence are those people you're putting down in your wildly inaccurate and fear-mongering post.

cobweb1 7y ago
> As a white man, you lost me completely there. I'm not the OP but you've lost me as well. What part of what you're saying is supported by data? Any data? > In fact, you are reviling (immigration, foreigners) the very thing that gave rise to the west as it is now. What gave rise to the USA were productive people creating a country for themselves and preventing other people from immigrating there. Immigration was mostly limited to other anglos. One of the most remarkable things happened in Africa, I forget exactly where, where an unbelievably high number of 160IQ+, 170IQ+ school children were found whose parents had immigrated from Britain. What you had in the USA were a high concentration of these outlier geniuses and other very productive people that made a new nation for themselves. > The history of the white man is filled with taking ideas and solutions from other cultures and races they encounter and building on them, essentially the same thing you're accusing China of doing unfairly. Is this not a ridiculous statement? The history of the "white man" is filled with producing outlier geniuses that are costly to those around them but benefit the group. These geniuses go their own way, they don't take ideas from others. You don't see these kinds of geniuses elsewhere, for reasons I forget. > Slavery, abuse, theft and centuries of using and discarding anything and anyone we can to get ahead is a significant part of our history I'm fairly certain that the consensus among those that have looked into slavery in the USA is that it was nothing but detrimental, slowing down progress. The slaves were well fed and made to work little. Children have been made to replicate the daily work of a slave in the USA and have done it with no issue. It shouldn't come as a surprise to you to learn that the very people that ended slavery are the same people that treated their slaves well. The slaves that freed themselves before slavery ended integrated surprisingly well, much better than the rest that gained their freedom later. Maybe an IQ difference between those capable of setting themselves free and those not. > Immigrants, especially second and third generation immigrants often have stronger ties to the country the immigrated to and are more willing to fight for it and die for it as numerous studies ahve shown. It's a recognized problem in Europe that second and third generation immigrants from the middle eastern countries are integrating worse than their parents. I don't know man, everything you're saying just seems made up from the spot.
- uhhhhhhh 7y ago
  >I'm not the OP but you've lost me as well. What part of what you're saying is supported by data? Any data? I was pretty clear on what was opinion/experience based and what wasn't. If you can't understand that I can't help you. >What gave rise to the USA were productive people creating a country for themselves and preventing other people from immigrating there. Immigration was mostly limited to other anglos. Immigration restrictions are a new thing in the last hundred years or so, people of all kinds immigrated here. Those "productive" people you refer to largely had their success built on abusing and using the minorities that did immigrate here as well. >One of the most remarkable things happened in Africa, I forget exactly where, where an unbelievably high number of 160IQ+, 170IQ+ school children were found whose parents had immigrated from Britain. Sources for that. >What you had in the USA were a high concentration of these outlier geniuses and other very productive people that made a new nation for themselves. The USA is actually not even in the top 10 based on Mensa, and from what evidence I can find never has had a high concentration of outlier geniuses. >Is this not a ridiculous statement? No, its a simple truth. >The history of the "white man" is filled with producing outlier geniuses that are costly to those around them but benefit the group. These geniuses go their own way, they don't take ideas from others. You don't see these kinds of geniuses elsewhere, for reasons I forget. You're making hilarious claims, you're gonna have to provide some source for that. History books have nothing backing your world view here, its based on a fairy tale as far as I'm concerned based on what history I do know. >I'm fairly certain that the consensus among those that have looked into slavery in the USA is that it was nothing but detrimental, slowing down progress. The slaves were well fed and made to work little. Children have been made to replicate the daily work of a slave in the USA and have done it with no issue. This is completely false and bullshit slavery apologists often repeat. >It shouldn't come as a surprise to you to learn that the very people that ended slavery are the same people that treated their slaves well. This is also false >The slaves that freed themselves before slavery ended integrated surprisingly well, much better than the rest that gained their freedom later. Maybe an IQ difference between those capable of setting themselves free and those not. Again, mostly BS. There was a significant difference between north and south and much had to do with what scarce education they achieved or were able to get. >It's a recognized problem in Europe that second and third generation immigrants from the middle eastern countries are integrating worse than their parents. This is false. its a mass media talking point that's wrong. Look into the studies. >I don't know man, everything you're saying just seems made up from the spot. Most of it was opinion, some of it was relating history as we know it. Just about everything you posted is incorrect, outright misleading and much of it sourced or the lies initially came from slavery apologists and those that refuse to actually look at history and accept that with the good a lot of bad also happened.
cobweb1 7y ago
> Immigrants are absolutely not treated better than I am anywhere in North America, or in Europe where I've been to date but I'll concede in places where white people are a minority that might not always be true. Again, isn't the consensus that the percentage of white students in elite colleges would go up from something like 66% to 75% if only raw ability were considered? In other words you're getting shafted for being white, in a mostly white country. > Just because some white people have accomplished something doesn't give you claim or credit for that. Aren't you gaslighting him? It's called kin selection and it doesn't stop at the parents, it expands outwards further and further with no magical border.
- uhhhhhhh 7y ago
  >Again, isn't the consensus that the percentage of white students in elite colleges would go up from something like 66% to 75% if only raw ability were considered? In other words you're getting shafted for being white, in a mostly white country. Asians are more impacted than this than Caucasians. Claiming its 'raw ability' is also completely false, its developed education and largely based on socio-economics not race. >Aren't you gaslighting him? It's called kin selection and it doesn't stop at the parents, it expands outwards further and further with no magical border. Kin selection has nothing to do it. Just because some white people have accomplished things doesn't mean he deserves any credit for any of it. To assume otherwise is absurd, unscientific and hilariously stupid.
  - cobweb1 7y ago
    > Asians are more impacted than this than Caucasians. Everyone knows that. > Claiming its 'raw ability' is also completely false, its developed education and largely based on socio-economics not race. Oh so now you're saying asians aren't more impacted. Why are you saying that? You can't even stay coherent within a paragraph. Your worldview doesn't have an ounce of consistency to it. > As a white man born into this world, you haven't earned anything any other person just born into this world doesn't have. Just because some white people have accomplished something doesn't give you claim or credit for that. > Just because some white people have accomplished things doesn't mean he deserves any credit for any of it. Careful now. You are free to have your own political ideas but leave some space for biology to do its thing. Right now you're rejecting an organisms right to protect itself against parasites and you're veering into an ideology that takes children away from their parents at birth. This is getting "hilariously stupid", as you so aptly put it.

cobweb1 7y ago

> As a white man, you lost me completely there. I'm not the OP but you've lost me as well. What part of what you're saying is supported by data? Any data? > In fact, you are reviling (immigration, foreigners) the very thing that gave rise to the west as it is now. What gave rise to the USA were productive people creating a country for themselves and preventing other people from immigrating there. Immigration was mostly limited to other anglos. One of the most remarkable things happened in Africa, I forget exactly where, where an unbelievably high number of 160IQ+, 170IQ+ school children were found whose parents had immigrated from Britain. What you had in the USA were a high concentration of these outlier geniuses and other very productive people that made a new nation for themselves. > The history of the white man is filled with taking ideas and solutions from other cultures and races they encounter and building on them, essentially the same thing you're accusing China of doing unfairly. Is this not a ridiculous statement? The history of the "white man" is filled with producing outlier geniuses that are costly to those around them but benefit the group. These geniuses go their own way, they don't take ideas from others. You don't see these kinds of geniuses elsewhere, for reasons I forget. > Slavery, abuse, theft and centuries of using and discarding anything and anyone we can to get ahead is a significant part of our history I'm fairly certain that the consensus among those that have looked into slavery in the USA is that it was nothing but detrimental, slowing down progress. The slaves were well fed and made to work little. Children have been made to replicate the daily work of a slave in the USA and have done it with no issue. It shouldn't come as a surprise to you to learn that the very people that ended slavery are the same people that treated their slaves well. The slaves that freed themselves before slavery ended integrated surprisingly well, much better than the rest that gained their freedom later. Maybe an IQ difference between those capable of setting themselves free and those not. > Immigrants, especially second and third generation immigrants often have stronger ties to the country the immigrated to and are more willing to fight for it and die for it as numerous studies ahve shown. It's a recognized problem in Europe that second and third generation immigrants from the middle eastern countries are integrating worse than their parents. I don't know man, everything you're saying just seems made up from the spot.

uhhhhhhh 7y ago
>I'm not the OP but you've lost me as well. What part of what you're saying is supported by data? Any data? I was pretty clear on what was opinion/experience based and what wasn't. If you can't understand that I can't help you. >What gave rise to the USA were productive people creating a country for themselves and preventing other people from immigrating there. Immigration was mostly limited to other anglos. Immigration restrictions are a new thing in the last hundred years or so, people of all kinds immigrated here. Those "productive" people you refer to largely had their success built on abusing and using the minorities that did immigrate here as well. >One of the most remarkable things happened in Africa, I forget exactly where, where an unbelievably high number of 160IQ+, 170IQ+ school children were found whose parents had immigrated from Britain. Sources for that. >What you had in the USA were a high concentration of these outlier geniuses and other very productive people that made a new nation for themselves. The USA is actually not even in the top 10 based on Mensa, and from what evidence I can find never has had a high concentration of outlier geniuses. >Is this not a ridiculous statement? No, its a simple truth. >The history of the "white man" is filled with producing outlier geniuses that are costly to those around them but benefit the group. These geniuses go their own way, they don't take ideas from others. You don't see these kinds of geniuses elsewhere, for reasons I forget. You're making hilarious claims, you're gonna have to provide some source for that. History books have nothing backing your world view here, its based on a fairy tale as far as I'm concerned based on what history I do know. >I'm fairly certain that the consensus among those that have looked into slavery in the USA is that it was nothing but detrimental, slowing down progress. The slaves were well fed and made to work little. Children have been made to replicate the daily work of a slave in the USA and have done it with no issue. This is completely false and bullshit slavery apologists often repeat. >It shouldn't come as a surprise to you to learn that the very people that ended slavery are the same people that treated their slaves well. This is also false >The slaves that freed themselves before slavery ended integrated surprisingly well, much better than the rest that gained their freedom later. Maybe an IQ difference between those capable of setting themselves free and those not. Again, mostly BS. There was a significant difference between north and south and much had to do with what scarce education they achieved or were able to get. >It's a recognized problem in Europe that second and third generation immigrants from the middle eastern countries are integrating worse than their parents. This is false. its a mass media talking point that's wrong. Look into the studies. >I don't know man, everything you're saying just seems made up from the spot. Most of it was opinion, some of it was relating history as we know it. Just about everything you posted is incorrect, outright misleading and much of it sourced or the lies initially came from slavery apologists and those that refuse to actually look at history and accept that with the good a lot of bad also happened.

cobweb1 7y ago

> Immigrants are absolutely not treated better than I am anywhere in North America, or in Europe where I've been to date but I'll concede in places where white people are a minority that might not always be true. Again, isn't the consensus that the percentage of white students in elite colleges would go up from something like 66% to 75% if only raw ability were considered? In other words you're getting shafted for being white, in a mostly white country. > Just because some white people have accomplished something doesn't give you claim or credit for that. Aren't you gaslighting him? It's called kin selection and it doesn't stop at the parents, it expands outwards further and further with no magical border.

uhhhhhhh 7y ago
>Again, isn't the consensus that the percentage of white students in elite colleges would go up from something like 66% to 75% if only raw ability were considered? In other words you're getting shafted for being white, in a mostly white country. Asians are more impacted than this than Caucasians. Claiming its 'raw ability' is also completely false, its developed education and largely based on socio-economics not race. >Aren't you gaslighting him? It's called kin selection and it doesn't stop at the parents, it expands outwards further and further with no magical border. Kin selection has nothing to do it. Just because some white people have accomplished things doesn't mean he deserves any credit for any of it. To assume otherwise is absurd, unscientific and hilariously stupid.
- cobweb1 7y ago
  > Asians are more impacted than this than Caucasians. Everyone knows that. > Claiming its 'raw ability' is also completely false, its developed education and largely based on socio-economics not race. Oh so now you're saying asians aren't more impacted. Why are you saying that? You can't even stay coherent within a paragraph. Your worldview doesn't have an ounce of consistency to it. > As a white man born into this world, you haven't earned anything any other person just born into this world doesn't have. Just because some white people have accomplished something doesn't give you claim or credit for that. > Just because some white people have accomplished things doesn't mean he deserves any credit for any of it. Careful now. You are free to have your own political ideas but leave some space for biology to do its thing. Right now you're rejecting an organisms right to protect itself against parasites and you're veering into an ideology that takes children away from their parents at birth. This is getting "hilariously stupid", as you so aptly put it.