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Perhaps, but the article itself says that Comac is having problems certifying its (first) commercial airliner. And part of what was targeted was Airbus data re

by patfla 7y ago

Perhaps, but the article itself says that Comac is having problems certifying its (first) commercial airliner. And part of what was targeted was Airbus data relating to certification. I add (first) because I've read about the C919 elsewhere.

mytailorisrich 7y ago
Boeing is having problems with its new planes... Designing and building airliners from scratch is not easy but China will get there because it's of strategic importance, and then the current duopoly will be broken.
- fapjacks 7y ago
  But Boeing's problem isn't an innovation problem. Boeing's problem is ceding engineering decisions to marketing wanks and MBA bros.
fock 7y ago
And I did my first job programming some groce frontends for them to use the inhouse-pipeline of a major Airbus subcontractor, which they rebuil(t/d). The subcontractor did this entirely willingly and I don't blame them, given that Airbus treated them like sh*. Sure they were not the absolute cutting edge business, but they do a solid job and have a strong engineering background (from the times of MBB, DASA & Co. - their IT in the eng department was horrible). And yet when negotiating a contract for a new test (volume of the contract similar to price of the very specialized equipment necessary), Airbus haggled and put taking it inhouse on the table (they could certainly do that, but as the history of german industry shows, this is just an intimidation tactic for mooore profit). So the management started to sell to COMAC (basically acting as an intermediary for another not as well-connected german supplier, which also likes to sell to China but can't get around export regulations...), which is basically a sell out, but apparently we want it that way given the protection politics give those predatory bit companies around here (never hear anyone calling Airbus for fair treatment of their supply chain)

by patfla 7y ago

mytailorisrich 7y ago

Boeing is having problems with its new planes... Designing and building airliners from scratch is not easy but China will get there because it's of strategic importance, and then the current duopoly will be broken.

fapjacks 7y ago
But Boeing's problem isn't an innovation problem. Boeing's problem is ceding engineering decisions to marketing wanks and MBA bros.

fock 7y ago

And I did my first job programming some groce frontends for them to use the inhouse-pipeline of a major Airbus subcontractor, which they rebuil(t/d). The subcontractor did this entirely willingly and I don't blame them, given that Airbus treated them like sh*. Sure they were not the absolute cutting edge business, but they do a solid job and have a strong engineering background (from the times of MBB, DASA & Co. - their IT in the eng department was horrible). And yet when negotiating a contract for a new test (volume of the contract similar to price of the very specialized equipment necessary), Airbus haggled and put taking it inhouse on the table (they could certainly do that, but as the history of german industry shows, this is just an intimidation tactic for mooore profit). So the management started to sell to COMAC (basically acting as an intermediary for another not as well-connected german supplier, which also likes to sell to China but can't get around export regulations...), which is basically a sell out, but apparently we want it that way given the protection politics give those predatory bit companies around here (never hear anyone calling Airbus for fair treatment of their supply chain)