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If you kill political dissidents and harvest their organs as part of an active genocide campaign, you lose any claim at behaving ethically. Ethics are measure

If you kill political dissidents and harvest their organs as part of an active genocide campaign, you lose any claim at behaving ethically. Ethics are measured by the actions you take that you'd rather not advertise.

jhedwards 7y ago
Part of my point is that this is being done by the CCP. If you want to say the CCP doesn't have ethics that's a different argument than "China doesn't have ethics", and I don't think that's too pedantic too point out.
- hobofan 7y ago
  I think that distinction is already sufficiently implied. China/<Country's name> == The government of China/<The government of Country> and The Chinese == The inhabitants of China
  - CharlesColeman 7y ago
    > I think that distinction is already sufficiently implied. No, it's not. > China/<Country's name> == The government of China/<The government of Country> > and > The Chinese == The inhabitants of China I've had some rather deep political conversations with a few Chinese people, and it's my understanding that education there doesn't stress the distinction between the Chinese nation and the Chinese government. So, using the word "China" to condemn the government can will often be interpreted as condemning the nation and does encourages ordinary Chinese to stand by their government, right or wrong. Don't do that. If you want to condemn the Chinese government, name the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) in your condemnations, for clarity's sake.
- sdinsn 7y ago
  When he refers to "China" he is talking about the government, AKA the CCP.
- carapace 7y ago
  Do the people going to the clinics for life-saving organ transplants know that the organs are coming from prisoners who do not give them up voluntarily? Where did the CCP get all the doctors and nurses who carry out the vivisections and transplantations? I don't want to engage in what I call the "calculus of evil". I wonder how many Americans would fly to China to get organs to save their lives knowing where the organs come from.
netsharc 7y ago
Is it whataboutism to mention toddlers in cages here? It seems both governments have their gas chamber moments...
- takamh 7y ago
  No it's not. This isn't Reddit where any average Joe thinks whataboutism is the answer to any evidence they don't agree with.
  - SimbaOnSteroids 7y ago
    Yes it is, the treatment of children at the border is also horrendous, it also has literally nothing to do with china and ethics.
    - takamh 7y ago
      And here you see first-hand the decline in the quality of discourse in HN
    - netsharc 7y ago
      You claim the organ harvesting means the whole government can't claim to have ethics, I think that's just stupid absolutism (the world doesn't work with Boolean logic), and my counter-example is to ask if the US government can claim to be ethical given that we know they've put toddlers in cages. I can probably give out examples of "unethical" behavior for every government on this planet, and then no one will be ethical any more. What then?
soperj 7y ago
Same as when you water-board people.
- SimbaOnSteroids 7y ago
  Nanking was ethical because Manzanar. Unit 731 was ethical because Tuskegee. The Opium Wars were ethical because the CCP does nothing to stop the flow of fentanyl overseas. All of these are as ridiculous as what your comment implies, they're also equally relevant.

jhedwards 7y ago

Part of my point is that this is being done by the CCP. If you want to say the CCP doesn't have ethics that's a different argument than "China doesn't have ethics", and I don't think that's too pedantic too point out.

hobofan 7y ago
I think that distinction is already sufficiently implied. China/<Country's name> == The government of China/<The government of Country> and The Chinese == The inhabitants of China
- CharlesColeman 7y ago
  > I think that distinction is already sufficiently implied. No, it's not. > China/<Country's name> == The government of China/<The government of Country> > and > The Chinese == The inhabitants of China I've had some rather deep political conversations with a few Chinese people, and it's my understanding that education there doesn't stress the distinction between the Chinese nation and the Chinese government. So, using the word "China" to condemn the government can will often be interpreted as condemning the nation and does encourages ordinary Chinese to stand by their government, right or wrong. Don't do that. If you want to condemn the Chinese government, name the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) in your condemnations, for clarity's sake.
sdinsn 7y ago
When he refers to "China" he is talking about the government, AKA the CCP.
carapace 7y ago
Do the people going to the clinics for life-saving organ transplants know that the organs are coming from prisoners who do not give them up voluntarily? Where did the CCP get all the doctors and nurses who carry out the vivisections and transplantations? I don't want to engage in what I call the "calculus of evil". I wonder how many Americans would fly to China to get organs to save their lives knowing where the organs come from.

netsharc 7y ago

Is it whataboutism to mention toddlers in cages here? It seems both governments have their gas chamber moments...

takamh 7y ago
No it's not. This isn't Reddit where any average Joe thinks whataboutism is the answer to any evidence they don't agree with.
- SimbaOnSteroids 7y ago
  Yes it is, the treatment of children at the border is also horrendous, it also has literally nothing to do with china and ethics.
  - takamh 7y ago
    And here you see first-hand the decline in the quality of discourse in HN
  - netsharc 7y ago
    You claim the organ harvesting means the whole government can't claim to have ethics, I think that's just stupid absolutism (the world doesn't work with Boolean logic), and my counter-example is to ask if the US government can claim to be ethical given that we know they've put toddlers in cages. I can probably give out examples of "unethical" behavior for every government on this planet, and then no one will be ethical any more. What then?

soperj 7y ago

Same as when you water-board people.

SimbaOnSteroids 7y ago
Nanking was ethical because Manzanar. Unit 731 was ethical because Tuskegee. The Opium Wars were ethical because the CCP does nothing to stop the flow of fentanyl overseas. All of these are as ridiculous as what your comment implies, they're also equally relevant.