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Yeah, that's my problem. Vaccines are oversold, so to speak. Everyone has a story about getting the flu immediately after getting the shot. My big thing is saf

Yeah, that's my problem. Vaccines are oversold, so to speak. Everyone has a story about getting the flu immediately after getting the shot. My big thing is safety and accountability. Currently, if a vaccine is harmful, the company that makes it has no liability, /and/ there's no control/test testing. The only way they're tested is by giving people the same shot with and without the viral component. Problem is, saying anything that makes vaccines not sound like unicorn blood makes you one of "them", and you obviously want everyone to die of polio.

rpedela 7y ago
People do sometimes get sick with mild symptoms for a day or so after receiving the flu shot, but is nothing compared to the actual flu.
- Ensorceled 7y ago
  Yeah, last year was the first time I had symptoms from the shot. As someone who actually has had the flu, it felt like the final few days of the real flu, after the fever has broken, the worst is over and you are finally better and on the upswing.
delfinom 7y ago
>Yeah, that's my problem. Vaccines are oversold, so to speak. Everyone has a story about getting the flu immediately after getting the shot. No, it's because the average person has no idea what they are talking about and do primitive correlation. After a flu shot you can very well feel unwell as your immune system ramps up to eliminate the inactive virus. The real flu is actually nasty. Most people just have colds and never experience full blown flu until they finally do and regret.
- esyir 7y ago
  The flu is far more common than you're starting though. That the cold is even more so doesn't mean that most people don't know what getting a flu is like.
Ensorceled 7y ago
Do you have specific examples of a vaccine manufacturer causing harm and escaping accountability? Also, how would you do control testing for vaccines?
- rpmisms 7y ago
  https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html This exists because of a bill sheltering vaccine manufacturers from all liability. As for control testing, you give some people a saline solution, others the shot, and others the shot with no virus. Put the issue to rest. Again, what the heck. I'm answering the question.
  - Ensorceled 7y ago
    Do you have any specific examples? I know why vaccine compensation exists, and it's not to hide wrongdoing. Wait, why do you need the third group (saline solution) as part of the control?
    - rpmisms 7y ago
      Here's a list of cases. https://www.mctlaw.com/vaccine-injury/cases/ https://www.mctlaw.com/vaccine-injury/cases/ The saline is to rule out effects from the preservatives and adjuvants used. The viral component of vaccines isn't what anti-vaxxers usually worry about.
      - Ensorceled 7y ago
        Those cases seem to be "had bad reaction, using system", do you have any evidence of wrongdoing that isn't tied to "shit sometimes happens when you vaccinate"?
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rpedela 7y ago

People do sometimes get sick with mild symptoms for a day or so after receiving the flu shot, but is nothing compared to the actual flu.

Ensorceled 7y ago
Yeah, last year was the first time I had symptoms from the shot. As someone who actually has had the flu, it felt like the final few days of the real flu, after the fever has broken, the worst is over and you are finally better and on the upswing.

delfinom 7y ago

>Yeah, that's my problem. Vaccines are oversold, so to speak. Everyone has a story about getting the flu immediately after getting the shot. No, it's because the average person has no idea what they are talking about and do primitive correlation. After a flu shot you can very well feel unwell as your immune system ramps up to eliminate the inactive virus. The real flu is actually nasty. Most people just have colds and never experience full blown flu until they finally do and regret.

esyir 7y ago
The flu is far more common than you're starting though. That the cold is even more so doesn't mean that most people don't know what getting a flu is like.

Ensorceled 7y ago

Do you have specific examples of a vaccine manufacturer causing harm and escaping accountability? Also, how would you do control testing for vaccines?

rpmisms 7y ago
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html This exists because of a bill sheltering vaccine manufacturers from all liability. As for control testing, you give some people a saline solution, others the shot, and others the shot with no virus. Put the issue to rest. Again, what the heck. I'm answering the question.
- Ensorceled 7y ago
  Do you have any specific examples? I know why vaccine compensation exists, and it's not to hide wrongdoing. Wait, why do you need the third group (saline solution) as part of the control?
  - rpmisms 7y ago
    Here's a list of cases. https://www.mctlaw.com/vaccine-injury/cases/ https://www.mctlaw.com/vaccine-injury/cases/ The saline is to rule out effects from the preservatives and adjuvants used. The viral component of vaccines isn't what anti-vaxxers usually worry about.
    - Ensorceled 7y ago
      Those cases seem to be "had bad reaction, using system", do you have any evidence of wrongdoing that isn't tied to "shit sometimes happens when you vaccinate"?
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