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This is absurd. Any chance a rebellious citizenry had armed to the teeth evaporated with standing armies. Gun owners of the US cling to this ideal even while e

This is absurd. Any chance a rebellious citizenry had armed to the teeth evaporated with standing armies. Gun owners of the US cling to this ideal even while experiencing the worst spate of mass shootings in its history. There is no solution to this other than disarming.

bhupy 7y ago
The US (with its standing army) has been at war in the Middle East for nearly 2 decades now with insurgents. The argument is not that a rebellious citizenry will necessarily win a war, it's that it will draw out a bloody civil war so long and so expensive as to be a form of mutually assured destruction, the risk of which acts as a check in and of itself.
Clubber 7y ago
I'm sorry, but you are absolutely delusional, or refuse to observe world events in history and going on right now. You need to stop looking at this emotionally and start using reason. Who killed more people, Stalin or all the US mass shooters combined? Edit: He is delusional and his ideas aren't based on any understanding of current events or history.
- wbronitsky 7y ago
  Wow, what a needless, toxic comment that attacks a person when it could easily attack an idea. It is amazing to me how prolific these types of arguments have become on this platform. I don’t understand why we continue to push arguments that equate to “you disagree with me and therefore are an idiot who cannot see what is right in front of them”
- josephdviviano 7y ago
  By this logic, do you think all of the other western democracies that do not have a right to bear arms are at risk of producing a Stalin?
  - Clubber 7y ago
    Absolutely, whether internally or externally. Many of them got a Hitler in the early 1940s and could have very well gotten the actual Stalin in the late 1940s. Crimea and Georgia got a Putin not long ago, but the rest of Ukraine managed to fight him off for now it seems. Looks like Hong Kong is about to get a Xi. It happens all the time, all over the world and has for all of civilization.
- dang 7y ago
  Breaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned on HN regardless of how wrong another commenter is or you feel they are. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here? We've had to ask you this more than once before. It can be helpful to remember that when you go way out of bounds like this, you discredit the position you're arguing for. Assuming you're right, that means you're discrediting the truth, which helps no one.
  - Clubber 7y ago
    Ya sorry, I get excited.
kaolti 7y ago
Is it really absurd? What is absurd about you having the right to protect yourself? You seem to be saying "I can't protect myself anyway, so let's not allow anyone else to try either." Disarming is a solution. If everyone would come together as one and hand their weapons in because THEY wanted to. Do you really think forcibly trying to take guns from people is a solution? Damn, talk about absurd.

bhupy 7y ago

The US (with its standing army) has been at war in the Middle East for nearly 2 decades now with insurgents. The argument is not that a rebellious citizenry will necessarily win a war, it's that it will draw out a bloody civil war so long and so expensive as to be a form of mutually assured destruction, the risk of which acts as a check in and of itself.

Clubber 7y ago

I'm sorry, but you are absolutely delusional, or refuse to observe world events in history and going on right now. You need to stop looking at this emotionally and start using reason. Who killed more people, Stalin or all the US mass shooters combined? Edit: He is delusional and his ideas aren't based on any understanding of current events or history.

wbronitsky 7y ago
Wow, what a needless, toxic comment that attacks a person when it could easily attack an idea. It is amazing to me how prolific these types of arguments have become on this platform. I don’t understand why we continue to push arguments that equate to “you disagree with me and therefore are an idiot who cannot see what is right in front of them”
josephdviviano 7y ago
By this logic, do you think all of the other western democracies that do not have a right to bear arms are at risk of producing a Stalin?
- Clubber 7y ago
  Absolutely, whether internally or externally. Many of them got a Hitler in the early 1940s and could have very well gotten the actual Stalin in the late 1940s. Crimea and Georgia got a Putin not long ago, but the rest of Ukraine managed to fight him off for now it seems. Looks like Hong Kong is about to get a Xi. It happens all the time, all over the world and has for all of civilization.
dang 7y ago
Breaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned on HN regardless of how wrong another commenter is or you feel they are. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here? We've had to ask you this more than once before. It can be helpful to remember that when you go way out of bounds like this, you discredit the position you're arguing for. Assuming you're right, that means you're discrediting the truth, which helps no one.
- Clubber 7y ago
  Ya sorry, I get excited.

kaolti 7y ago

Is it really absurd? What is absurd about you having the right to protect yourself? You seem to be saying "I can't protect myself anyway, so let's not allow anyone else to try either." Disarming is a solution. If everyone would come together as one and hand their weapons in because THEY wanted to. Do you really think forcibly trying to take guns from people is a solution? Damn, talk about absurd.