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As a note there are 20 million ex military in the US, most of which are armed. So the US civilian population has an out of shape military with small arms at ar

by geggam 7y ago

As a note there are 20 million ex military in the US, most of which are armed. So the US civilian population has an out of shape military with small arms at around 10x the size of the standing military.

moate 7y ago
That's assuming they side with the civies and don't rejoin the standing military. Truth is, we have no idea what a US civil war might look like. There would be military defections as well as citizens joining the government. With no understanding of what the factions would look like, it's difficult to forecast blindly (not that you couldn't make projections based on certain groups leading the antagonists side and how the public at large might react).
- geggam 7y ago
  It would be bloody, beyond that no idea. A demonstration like happening in Hong Kong likely wouldnt ever happen. I use the nevada rancher incident as an example. Govt agents backed down from armed "militia" to avoid the bloodshed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff Govt agents
  - moate 7y ago
    I like to believe that the US government wouldn't fire the first shot, that it would be citizen aggression against them that would spur them into action. But who knows. In the Bundy incident(s) no shots were fired. I believe that's because as much as the Bundy group believe their own bullshit (about land rights and white supremacy and whatnot) they also know that this is a fight about taxation currently and that they can keep enough support on their side by making that the principle issue. The government isn't going to go in hot to collect taxes, because jesus christ that's a terrible look for them and they don't want another Waco. The whole incident involve those yahoos is a mess, but a really great example of a militia strong arming the feds (it sucks that the feds screwed the pooch in the trial of the 2016 standoff and let them get off because of procedural misconduct).
    - geggam 7y ago
      >The whole incident involve those yahoos is a mess, but a really great example of a militia strong arming the feds (it sucks that the feds screwed the pooch in the trial of the 2016 standoff and let them get off because of procedural misconduct). As I watch our govt in action I think this is the norm and to be expected. I am shocked the judge actually let the Bundy's off TBH. I wonder if it wasn't just an appeasement thing. Usually testing the crowns authority ends up poorly
      - moate 7y ago
        From my understanding it was pretty basic "Prosecution didn't do their job, and they did they're job SO poorly I have to dismiss this because everyone is staring at me because this is such a high profile case" situation. High profile cases like that are high risk high reward for the prosecution. You can't let private militias start dictating how the country works, but you also can't fire up extremists and provide sympathy for their cause.
        geggam 7y ago
        Dismissed with prejudice Judge Navarro admonished the government for “flagrant prosecutorial misconduct” and withholding “potentially exculpatory” evidence, including FBI logs on surveillance and sniper activity, threat-assessment reports indicating that the Bundys were not dangerous, and internal reports about misconduct involving BLM agents.

by geggam 7y ago

moate 7y ago

That's assuming they side with the civies and don't rejoin the standing military. Truth is, we have no idea what a US civil war might look like. There would be military defections as well as citizens joining the government. With no understanding of what the factions would look like, it's difficult to forecast blindly (not that you couldn't make projections based on certain groups leading the antagonists side and how the public at large might react).

geggam 7y ago
It would be bloody, beyond that no idea. A demonstration like happening in Hong Kong likely wouldnt ever happen. I use the nevada rancher incident as an example. Govt agents backed down from armed "militia" to avoid the bloodshed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff Govt agents
- moate 7y ago
  I like to believe that the US government wouldn't fire the first shot, that it would be citizen aggression against them that would spur them into action. But who knows. In the Bundy incident(s) no shots were fired. I believe that's because as much as the Bundy group believe their own bullshit (about land rights and white supremacy and whatnot) they also know that this is a fight about taxation currently and that they can keep enough support on their side by making that the principle issue. The government isn't going to go in hot to collect taxes, because jesus christ that's a terrible look for them and they don't want another Waco. The whole incident involve those yahoos is a mess, but a really great example of a militia strong arming the feds (it sucks that the feds screwed the pooch in the trial of the 2016 standoff and let them get off because of procedural misconduct).
  - geggam 7y ago
    >The whole incident involve those yahoos is a mess, but a really great example of a militia strong arming the feds (it sucks that the feds screwed the pooch in the trial of the 2016 standoff and let them get off because of procedural misconduct). As I watch our govt in action I think this is the norm and to be expected. I am shocked the judge actually let the Bundy's off TBH. I wonder if it wasn't just an appeasement thing. Usually testing the crowns authority ends up poorly
    - moate 7y ago
      From my understanding it was pretty basic "Prosecution didn't do their job, and they did they're job SO poorly I have to dismiss this because everyone is staring at me because this is such a high profile case" situation. High profile cases like that are high risk high reward for the prosecution. You can't let private militias start dictating how the country works, but you also can't fire up extremists and provide sympathy for their cause.
      - geggam 7y ago
        Dismissed with prejudice Judge Navarro admonished the government for “flagrant prosecutorial misconduct” and withholding “potentially exculpatory” evidence, including FBI logs on surveillance and sniper activity, threat-assessment reports indicating that the Bundys were not dangerous, and internal reports about misconduct involving BLM agents.