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A better anaology would be if the US implemented extreme Sharia law, how cavalier would people who don't want to live like that be? Hong Kong didn't choose the

by pimmen 7y ago

A better anaology would be if the US implemented extreme Sharia law, how cavalier would people who don't want to live like that be? Hong Kong didn't choose the CCP who didn't even exist yet when the lease was signed. They sure as hell didn't choose to lose their rights to a fair trial and freedom of expression either. So, if you do a thought experiment about protests against the government, keep in mind that the government in question commits some of the worst human rights abuses today.

UIZealot 7y ago
> A better anaology would be if the US implemented extreme Sharia law, how cavalier would people who don't want to live like that be? That's a very poor analogy. Hong Kong citizens already enjoy the benefit of an independent legal system and don't have to live like mainland citizens. > They sure as hell didn't choose to lose their rights to a fair trial and freedom of expression either. They sure didn't. And they sure haven't lost those rights.
- pimmen 7y ago
  The protest was about the prospect of losing those rights, starting with being subject to mainland laws through extradition. The protest has then expanded to being against the CCP undermining ”one country, two systems” in general, an example of which would be Gui Minhai who’s serving time for a book he published in Hong Kong. So, I would say the analogy is still apt. The CCP control is being implemented which is what the protesters are against.
  - UIZealot 7y ago
    > The CCP control is being implemented which is what the protesters are against. Really? How exactly is it being implemented? EDIT: Down-voters, can you answer the question? Or are you just going to try to bury it with down-votes?
    - RavlaAlvar 7y ago
      If you live in Hong Kong, you can definitely feel that over the years, CCP have been increasingly ramp up their influence on HK matters. CCP officials start to comment on internal HK matters, lobbying for government policy to pass in the legislative branch.
      - UIZealot 7y ago
        Influence? Certainly. Just like the UK could influence HK matters when it was a British colony, China can influence HK matters now that it's a Chinese special administrative region. Control? Not so much.
        pimmen 7y ago
        Because the control is still being implemented. To implement it, you need influence.
        UIZealot 7y ago
        Again, how exactly is it being implemented? All you came up with is the extradition bill, and that, again, has been withdrawn.
    - pimmen 7y ago
      The extradition treaty subjecting people to some mainland laws is a step in that direction.
      - UIZealot 7y ago
        The extradition treaty has officially been withdrawn as a result of the protests. That alone should tell you that Hong Kong has been able to maintain substantial autonomy from the central Chinese government.
        pimmen 7y ago

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UIZealot 7y ago

> A better anaology would be if the US implemented extreme Sharia law, how cavalier would people who don't want to live like that be? That's a very poor analogy. Hong Kong citizens already enjoy the benefit of an independent legal system and don't have to live like mainland citizens. > They sure as hell didn't choose to lose their rights to a fair trial and freedom of expression either. They sure didn't. And they sure haven't lost those rights.

pimmen 7y ago
The protest was about the prospect of losing those rights, starting with being subject to mainland laws through extradition. The protest has then expanded to being against the CCP undermining ”one country, two systems” in general, an example of which would be Gui Minhai who’s serving time for a book he published in Hong Kong. So, I would say the analogy is still apt. The CCP control is being implemented which is what the protesters are against.
- UIZealot 7y ago
  > The CCP control is being implemented which is what the protesters are against. Really? How exactly is it being implemented? EDIT: Down-voters, can you answer the question? Or are you just going to try to bury it with down-votes?
  - RavlaAlvar 7y ago
    If you live in Hong Kong, you can definitely feel that over the years, CCP have been increasingly ramp up their influence on HK matters. CCP officials start to comment on internal HK matters, lobbying for government policy to pass in the legislative branch.
    - UIZealot 7y ago
      Influence? Certainly. Just like the UK could influence HK matters when it was a British colony, China can influence HK matters now that it's a Chinese special administrative region. Control? Not so much.
      - pimmen 7y ago
        Because the control is still being implemented. To implement it, you need influence.
        UIZealot 7y ago
        Again, how exactly is it being implemented? All you came up with is the extradition bill, and that, again, has been withdrawn.
  - pimmen 7y ago
    The extradition treaty subjecting people to some mainland laws is a step in that direction.
    - UIZealot 7y ago
      The extradition treaty has officially been withdrawn as a result of the protests. That alone should tell you that Hong Kong has been able to maintain substantial autonomy from the central Chinese government.
      - pimmen 7y ago