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I’m from the mainland and totally with HK’s cause. But I do think the violence is at least unnecessary if not detrimental to the movement. If tanks roll in, the
by schuke 7y ago
I’m from the mainland and totally with HK’s cause. But I do think the violence is at least unnecessary if not detrimental to the movement. If tanks roll in, there’s no point using violence as they’ll be crushed. If they don’t, it seems to me there’s enough space for peaceful protests, which can be even more effectual in many ways. And the people of Hong Kong have shown an incredible amount of creativity in non-violent protests. The kid is so young he shouldn’t be involved in such violence. I hope he will make a full recovery.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago> the violence is at least unnecessary if not detrimental to the movement Judgement is complicated by documented evidence of undercover Hong Kong police dressing up as protesters and acting like belligerent idiots [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/world/hong-kong-police-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/world/hong-kong-police-pr...
- koheripbal 7y agoSure, but not in this particular case. The protestor that was shot was caught on the same video chasing down a police officer and beating him before getting shot. https://twitter.com/bbcchinese/status/1179082367337713666 https://twitter.com/bbcchinese/status/1179082367337713666
- marvin 7y agoThis always happens. It's the most effective way to create the illusion of legitimacy for using violence to kill peaceful protest. The French police have been doing it for ages.
- ummonk 7y agoYes, but in this case the kid was engaging directly in violence so unless he himself was an agent provocateur, this particular shooting can’t be blamed on undercover cops.
- kaonashi 7y agoNot to mention that the protests were initially peaceful, then they were repeatedly attacked by gangs at the behest of the local authorities.
- baylearn 7y agoI agree with you. I think the (relatively) success of the movement so far is due to the sheer creative energy of the protester population. That said I am fine with measured civil disobedience and symbolic destruction of government / quasi-government / tax-payer funded infrastructure when appropriate.
- hanniabu 7y ago> If tanks roll in, there’s no point using violence as they’ll be crushed There are many impromptu homemade devices that can be used to deter tanks
- Illniyar 7y agoAgainst modern tanks, there really aren't. Even military grade explosive mines don't stop a modern tank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-IED_equipment#Mine_Resistant_Ambush_Protected_Vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-IED_equipment#Mine_Res...) - not to mention things that go in the frontline in urban areas like armored bulldozers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_bulldozer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_bulldozer)
- read_if_gay_ 7y agoWhat about the IEDs used in the middle east? How hard is it to put one of those together?
- jdsully 7y agoTanks are quite vulnerable in urban combat. As the Russians learned at the start of the battle of Grozny: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)