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Interesting times, and a slippery slope. These fairly square rules will surely cause other uproars as it invites back the alt-right with their tongue-in-cheek f

Interesting times, and a slippery slope. These fairly square rules will surely cause other uproars as it invites back the alt-right with their tongue-in-cheek fascism. And the Facebook algorithms seem embarrassingly incapable of nuance, like this Tommy Robinson debacle: the mere mention of the name "Tommy Robinson" in a post (in Sweden) renders your profile inactive for several days or indefinitely. In other countries the post is simply deleted. In other words, any other person called Tommy Robinson would not be able to have a FB presence. I'm no fan of Tommy Robinson but this is worrying as FB has become more of a utility for online discussion and publishing. The problem is partly technical, but ultimately it is caused by the fact that Facebook doesn't have a value system of it's own. They need to follow the bidding of the powers that squeeze them the most.

ravenstine 7y ago
We wouldn't allow the American government to behave this way, but somehow it's okay if a big corporation takes control of a large portion of communication and enacts these draconian rules. But it's a private totalitarian state. /s
- kazagistar 7y ago
  At least when the government does it, you have a presumed outlet of voting for one that doesn't. When a corporation does something you have no outlet if it has an effective monopoly or they all do it or you just have negative net worth and cannot possibly vote with your dollars.
  - dhhdhdsbdb 7y ago
    Otoh, governments can detain, arrest, or kill you and your family. Regardless of whether you can vote. Both corporations and governments have a history of bad behavior. But I warrant the government ledger has much worse capacity to do me harm, as well as a few orders of magnitude more deaths caused by their decisions.
richrichardsson 7y ago
Where are you getting this information that mentioning Yaxley-Lennon's alter-ego gets the post deleted? Appears to be nonsense to me, I have seen plenty of posts with that name in them.
- stareatgoats 7y ago
  Can't blame you for finding this strange, it has not been reported widely since Tommy acquired his well deserved pariah status. But you will find it on the second page or so using a internet search provider of your choice, predictably on unsavory pages that also might call for the death of large portions of the worlds population solely on basis of their beliefs. You efforts might lead to tweets like these: https://twitter.com/blondesoulbird/status/1151349131207684096 https://twitter.com/blondesoulbird/status/115134913120768409... But I can also assure you this happened to the moderator of a group I'm in (he did it as a test to check the veracity of the claim). He typed "test Tommy Robinson" in a post to his friends. His account was disabled for 3 days. https://www.facebook.com/groups/kallkritik/permalink/613128289211381/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/kallkritik/permalink/6131282... (in Swedish)
  - richrichardsson 7y ago
    Certainly not the case in the UK, I literally posted "Just testing: Tommy Robinson" yesterday after seeing your reply; post was left intact, friends can view and comment, and I'm not locked out of Facebook.
    - stareatgoats 7y ago
      It does (did?) seem to happen mostly in Scandinavian countries if you scrutinize the search results.
pjc50 7y ago
He's still all over Youtube.
yucca_plant 7y ago
>"These fairly square rules will surely cause other uproars as it invites back the alt-right with their tongue-in-cheek fascism." And what about the extreme left and their own brand of totalitarianism? Those on the Right get almost all the focus in mainstream media because almost all mainstream media is on the Left, but the rise of urgency and activism among those on the Right is simply a response to the growing extremism of the Left that many well meaning people fail to recognize because those extremists are on their "side"
efa 7y ago
What is tongue-in-cheek fascism? Example.
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- stareatgoats 7y ago
  Sure. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right-online-humor-as-a-weapon-facism https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right...
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ravenstine 7y ago

We wouldn't allow the American government to behave this way, but somehow it's okay if a big corporation takes control of a large portion of communication and enacts these draconian rules. But it's a private totalitarian state. /s

kazagistar 7y ago
At least when the government does it, you have a presumed outlet of voting for one that doesn't. When a corporation does something you have no outlet if it has an effective monopoly or they all do it or you just have negative net worth and cannot possibly vote with your dollars.
- dhhdhdsbdb 7y ago
  Otoh, governments can detain, arrest, or kill you and your family. Regardless of whether you can vote. Both corporations and governments have a history of bad behavior. But I warrant the government ledger has much worse capacity to do me harm, as well as a few orders of magnitude more deaths caused by their decisions.

richrichardsson 7y ago

Where are you getting this information that mentioning Yaxley-Lennon's alter-ego gets the post deleted? Appears to be nonsense to me, I have seen plenty of posts with that name in them.

stareatgoats 7y ago
Can't blame you for finding this strange, it has not been reported widely since Tommy acquired his well deserved pariah status. But you will find it on the second page or so using a internet search provider of your choice, predictably on unsavory pages that also might call for the death of large portions of the worlds population solely on basis of their beliefs. You efforts might lead to tweets like these: https://twitter.com/blondesoulbird/status/1151349131207684096 https://twitter.com/blondesoulbird/status/115134913120768409... But I can also assure you this happened to the moderator of a group I'm in (he did it as a test to check the veracity of the claim). He typed "test Tommy Robinson" in a post to his friends. His account was disabled for 3 days. https://www.facebook.com/groups/kallkritik/permalink/613128289211381/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/kallkritik/permalink/6131282... (in Swedish)
- richrichardsson 7y ago
  Certainly not the case in the UK, I literally posted "Just testing: Tommy Robinson" yesterday after seeing your reply; post was left intact, friends can view and comment, and I'm not locked out of Facebook.
  - stareatgoats 7y ago
    It does (did?) seem to happen mostly in Scandinavian countries if you scrutinize the search results.

pjc50 7y ago

He's still all over Youtube.

yucca_plant 7y ago

>"These fairly square rules will surely cause other uproars as it invites back the alt-right with their tongue-in-cheek fascism." And what about the extreme left and their own brand of totalitarianism? Those on the Right get almost all the focus in mainstream media because almost all mainstream media is on the Left, but the rise of urgency and activism among those on the Right is simply a response to the growing extremism of the Left that many well meaning people fail to recognize because those extremists are on their "side"

efa 7y ago

What is tongue-in-cheek fascism? Example.

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stareatgoats 7y ago
Sure. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right-online-humor-as-a-weapon-facism https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right...
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