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>From 2021, firms will have to make appliances longer-lasting, and they will have to supply spare parts for machines for up to 10 years. 10 years is not long e

>From 2021, firms will have to make appliances longer-lasting, and they will have to supply spare parts for machines for up to 10 years. 10 years is not long enough - big appliances can easily live much longer. Appliance manufacturers should make it a _core_ business to provide repair services, not think of it as "environmental regulations".

smartbit 7y ago
Couldn't agree with you more. 10 years is way too short. Apple forces iPhone 5S and iPhone 6 owners to buy a new model even if they work fine after 6 years. Why couldn't a mobile phone work for 15years? Just think of the US cars in Cuba, build in the 50s and still on the road. If I remember well, the amount of fossil fuel needed to build a car is more than it will use during it's lifetime on the road. Changing to Less is more will require either - a disaster (war, flooding, hunger) or - long endurance and perseverance against old thinking by Greta Thunberg and the like.
- blue_devil 7y ago
  EDIT: It does cover "electronic displays" which means TVs & similar. Alas, this does not cover any electronics at all. It's extremely narrow: >> introduced for refrigerating appliances, household dishwashers, household washing machines and household washer-dryers, electronic displays and refrigerating appliances with a direct sales function. https://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-19-1596_en.htm https://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-19-1596_en.htm
- AdrianB1 7y ago
  I agree with your comment, but I want to add the answer to "Why couldn't a mobile phone work for 15years?": because the evolution of chips and software makes a new phone much more efficient (energy, user's time) than a 10-15 years old one. I used a Samsung S3 as a GPS-only device on the car dashboard for a few years after I was no longer able to use it as a smartphone (old Android with no updates), getting a new smartphone was required not because the old one was "old", but because it was obsolete enough to be unusable.
- artimaeis 7y ago
  > Apple forces iPhone 5S and iPhone 6 owners to buy a new model even if they work fine after 6 years. Why couldn't a mobile phone work for 15years? I'm pretty sure Apple does no such thing. They stop updating product lines after a certain point, but they don't brick them or anything. In fact, you can find examples of people using original iPhones just to compare them to the modern phone amenities. https://www.wsj.com/video/series/joanna-stern-personal-technology/living-with-the-original-iphone-in-2017/790062D5-748C-47CE-A515-549D1C03E6F3 https://www.wsj.com/video/series/joanna-stern-personal-techn... Really -- our expectations of what our mobile devices should be able to do have increased so much in the past 10 years that it's simply unrealistic to expect them to last 15 years or longer. _Maybe_ we're coming closer to a point where we can expect tech to be usable for longer due to our phones having processors that are nearly as capable as modern laptop processors.
linuxftw 7y ago
Commercial applicance manufacturers often due make serviceability a high priority. You can buy a commercial quality washing machine, but people don't want to pay that price. Vote with your wallet. If you want something that is repairable, buy it.

smartbit 7y ago

Couldn't agree with you more. 10 years is way too short. Apple forces iPhone 5S and iPhone 6 owners to buy a new model even if they work fine after 6 years. Why couldn't a mobile phone work for 15years? Just think of the US cars in Cuba, build in the 50s and still on the road. If I remember well, the amount of fossil fuel needed to build a car is more than it will use during it's lifetime on the road. Changing to Less is more will require either - a disaster (war, flooding, hunger) or - long endurance and perseverance against old thinking by Greta Thunberg and the like.

blue_devil 7y ago
EDIT: It does cover "electronic displays" which means TVs & similar. Alas, this does not cover any electronics at all. It's extremely narrow: >> introduced for refrigerating appliances, household dishwashers, household washing machines and household washer-dryers, electronic displays and refrigerating appliances with a direct sales function. https://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-19-1596_en.htm https://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-19-1596_en.htm
AdrianB1 7y ago
I agree with your comment, but I want to add the answer to "Why couldn't a mobile phone work for 15years?": because the evolution of chips and software makes a new phone much more efficient (energy, user's time) than a 10-15 years old one. I used a Samsung S3 as a GPS-only device on the car dashboard for a few years after I was no longer able to use it as a smartphone (old Android with no updates), getting a new smartphone was required not because the old one was "old", but because it was obsolete enough to be unusable.
artimaeis 7y ago
> Apple forces iPhone 5S and iPhone 6 owners to buy a new model even if they work fine after 6 years. Why couldn't a mobile phone work for 15years? I'm pretty sure Apple does no such thing. They stop updating product lines after a certain point, but they don't brick them or anything. In fact, you can find examples of people using original iPhones just to compare them to the modern phone amenities. https://www.wsj.com/video/series/joanna-stern-personal-technology/living-with-the-original-iphone-in-2017/790062D5-748C-47CE-A515-549D1C03E6F3 https://www.wsj.com/video/series/joanna-stern-personal-techn... Really -- our expectations of what our mobile devices should be able to do have increased so much in the past 10 years that it's simply unrealistic to expect them to last 15 years or longer. _Maybe_ we're coming closer to a point where we can expect tech to be usable for longer due to our phones having processors that are nearly as capable as modern laptop processors.

linuxftw 7y ago

Commercial applicance manufacturers often due make serviceability a high priority. You can buy a commercial quality washing machine, but people don't want to pay that price. Vote with your wallet. If you want something that is repairable, buy it.