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source: Google employee. FTFY! That Google, the Ad company threatening user's privacy, abusing user's rights, collecting user's data. The company fined for 5

source: Google employee. FTFY! That Google, the Ad company threatening user's privacy, abusing user's rights, collecting user's data. The company fined for 5 billion dollars in an anti trust case in EU. The company behind YouTube, fined for 170 million dollars for collecting kids data [1] The company behind Chrome, that recently proposed a change to stop ad blocking extensions from working (did I say they sell ads?) AFAIK Stallman never worked for or at any company the like of Google. Neither did Eben Moglen, who still offers pro bono legal support for free software at the Freedom law center, which he founded. For those that do not know him, Moglen was member of Philip Zimmermann's (PGP creator) defense team. Strangely enough, he was another target of Garret, a couple years ago he declared him "no longer a friend of the FSF". He was already working for Google. [1] https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/youtube-ftc-fine-170-million-coppa-kids-data-1203323004/ https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/youtube-ftc-fine-170-m...

mjg59 7y ago
Yes, the Eben Moglen who is suing another free software organisation for trademark infringement, threatened to sue them for copyright infringement under a ludicrous misreading of the relevant license, threatened to ruin the life of an FSF board member, and who was fired by the FSF for briefing against the FSF's interests while being paid by Oracle.
- satanshomie 7y ago
  Is it better to be paid by Google? p.s.: can you provide the source that says that Moglen was "being paid by Oracle"? We know that in November 2017 you were already working at Google, AKA "being paid by Google". p.p.s.: You said at the time > He later released this position publicly with little co-ordination with the FSF, which was used by (Ubuntu creator) Canonical to justify their shipping ZFS (a filesystem developed originally by Sun Microsystems and now owned by Oracle) in a GPL-violating way And I think you did it to backup your thesis of Moglen "being paid by Oracle". Fact is you either were wrong or lying, Canonical ships OpenZFS [1], which is not owned by Oracle. OpenZFS was born after ZFS was releases as CDDL in 2005 by Sun Microsystems as part of OpenSolaris, Oracle bought Sun Microsystems in 2010. [1] https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubuntu-16-04 https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubun...
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  So is it better to be paid by Google? p.s.: can you provide the source that says that Moglen was "being paid by Oracle"? We know that in November 2017 you were already working at Google, AKA "being paid by Google". p.p.s.: You said at the time > He later released this position publicly with little co-ordination with the FSF, which was used by (Ubuntu creator) Canonical to justify their shipping ZFS (a filesystem developed originally by Sun Microsystems and now owned by Oracle) in a GPL-violating way And I think you did it to backup your thesis of Moglen "being paid by Oracle". Fact is you either were wrong or lying, Canonical ships OpenZFS [1], which is not owned by Oracle. OpenZFS was born after ZFS was releases as CDDL in 2005 by Sun Microsystems as part of OpenSolaris, Oracle bought Sun Microsystems in 2010. [1] https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubuntu-16-04 https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubun...
- pedanticlawyer 7y ago
  > suing another free software organisation for trademark infringement Trademarks have to be enforced or you lose them. > threatened to ruin the life of an FSF board member Can you please backup this claim? I've found nothing to validate it. > and who was fired by the FSF for briefing against the FSF's interests According to every source I've found he resigned himself and voluntarily stepped down and left "on good terms" to take care of SFLC which he had recently founded. It might be political jargon, but there is no way to prove he was fired. > FSF's interests while being paid by Oracle. AFAIK Moglen never worked or took money from Oracle. Can you please clarify what you mean?
  - mjg59 7y ago
    > Trademarks have to be enforced or you lose them. His trademark is on "Software freedom law center", and he's suing the Software Freedom Conservancy. He doesn't hold a trademark on "Software Freedom". > Can you please backup this claim? I've found nothing to validate it. I was there when it was reported and had confirmation from a witness. > According to every source I've found he resigned himself and voluntarily stepped down and left "on good terms" to take care of SFLC which he had recently founded. > It might be political jargon, but there is no way to prove he was fired. I was on the board when he was fired. > AFAIK Moglen never worked or took money from Oracle Why would you be in a position to know?
    - pedanticlawyer 7y ago
      > He doesn't hold a trademark on "Software Freedom". Has he ever claimed that? > I was there when it was reported and had confirmation from a witness. It is true because I say so it's not really an answer to the question. > I was on the board when he was fired. So you can confirm you fired him? That's interesting. Back then you wrote > This, in conjunction with his behaviour over the ZFS issue, led to him stepping down as the FSF's general counsel. You did not say "fired" anywhere. Why didn't you just say "fired"? > Why would you be in a position to know? I'm in the position to ask why you're accusing someone of taking money, without proof. It's just human decency, I happen to be a contributor (a tiny one, but sill one) of both FSF and FSLC and I would like to know if Moglen took money from Oracle to sue other FSF foundations. You seem to know though, but you don't say. And even if it was true, is taking money from Oracle a crime per se? What about taking money from Apple, Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft? more than a few FSF folks work there.

mjg59 7y ago

Yes, the Eben Moglen who is suing another free software organisation for trademark infringement, threatened to sue them for copyright infringement under a ludicrous misreading of the relevant license, threatened to ruin the life of an FSF board member, and who was fired by the FSF for briefing against the FSF's interests while being paid by Oracle.

satanshomie 7y ago
Is it better to be paid by Google? p.s.: can you provide the source that says that Moglen was "being paid by Oracle"? We know that in November 2017 you were already working at Google, AKA "being paid by Google". p.p.s.: You said at the time > He later released this position publicly with little co-ordination with the FSF, which was used by (Ubuntu creator) Canonical to justify their shipping ZFS (a filesystem developed originally by Sun Microsystems and now owned by Oracle) in a GPL-violating way And I think you did it to backup your thesis of Moglen "being paid by Oracle". Fact is you either were wrong or lying, Canonical ships OpenZFS [1], which is not owned by Oracle. OpenZFS was born after ZFS was releases as CDDL in 2005 by Sun Microsystems as part of OpenSolaris, Oracle bought Sun Microsystems in 2010. [1] https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubuntu-16-04 https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubun...
lostjohnny 7y ago
So is it better to be paid by Google? p.s.: can you provide the source that says that Moglen was "being paid by Oracle"? We know that in November 2017 you were already working at Google, AKA "being paid by Google". p.p.s.: You said at the time > He later released this position publicly with little co-ordination with the FSF, which was used by (Ubuntu creator) Canonical to justify their shipping ZFS (a filesystem developed originally by Sun Microsystems and now owned by Oracle) in a GPL-violating way And I think you did it to backup your thesis of Moglen "being paid by Oracle". Fact is you either were wrong or lying, Canonical ships OpenZFS [1], which is not owned by Oracle. OpenZFS was born after ZFS was releases as CDDL in 2005 by Sun Microsystems as part of OpenSolaris, Oracle bought Sun Microsystems in 2010. [1] https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubuntu-16-04 https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubun...
pedanticlawyer 7y ago
> suing another free software organisation for trademark infringement Trademarks have to be enforced or you lose them. > threatened to ruin the life of an FSF board member Can you please backup this claim? I've found nothing to validate it. > and who was fired by the FSF for briefing against the FSF's interests According to every source I've found he resigned himself and voluntarily stepped down and left "on good terms" to take care of SFLC which he had recently founded. It might be political jargon, but there is no way to prove he was fired. > FSF's interests while being paid by Oracle. AFAIK Moglen never worked or took money from Oracle. Can you please clarify what you mean?
- mjg59 7y ago
  > Trademarks have to be enforced or you lose them. His trademark is on "Software freedom law center", and he's suing the Software Freedom Conservancy. He doesn't hold a trademark on "Software Freedom". > Can you please backup this claim? I've found nothing to validate it. I was there when it was reported and had confirmation from a witness. > According to every source I've found he resigned himself and voluntarily stepped down and left "on good terms" to take care of SFLC which he had recently founded. > It might be political jargon, but there is no way to prove he was fired. I was on the board when he was fired. > AFAIK Moglen never worked or took money from Oracle Why would you be in a position to know?
  - pedanticlawyer 7y ago
    > He doesn't hold a trademark on "Software Freedom". Has he ever claimed that? > I was there when it was reported and had confirmation from a witness. It is true because I say so it's not really an answer to the question. > I was on the board when he was fired. So you can confirm you fired him? That's interesting. Back then you wrote > This, in conjunction with his behaviour over the ZFS issue, led to him stepping down as the FSF's general counsel. You did not say "fired" anywhere. Why didn't you just say "fired"? > Why would you be in a position to know? I'm in the position to ask why you're accusing someone of taking money, without proof. It's just human decency, I happen to be a contributor (a tiny one, but sill one) of both FSF and FSLC and I would like to know if Moglen took money from Oracle to sue other FSF foundations. You seem to know though, but you don't say. And even if it was true, is taking money from Oracle a crime per se? What about taking money from Apple, Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft? more than a few FSF folks work there.