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Being over-simplistic: Southern Europe lacks good management. Southern Europeans workers are wanted everywhere - they are productive when working in a differen

Being over-simplistic: Southern Europe lacks good management. Southern Europeans workers are wanted everywhere - they are productive when working in a different environment - so the problem must be extrinsic. It's very common that they are more educated than their bosses in their home country.

ajsnigrutin 7y ago
> they are productive when working in a different environment As someone from the balkans... it's not the enviroment that makes people productive (it can make them unproductive though), but the productive people choose to change their enviroment to one, where they can be more productive. And this is true for both plumbers and engineers. Just take a successfull good worker (and a bad one if you want), and put them into a shitty low-paying government job, where it takes three weeks to order a replacement computers mouse... shitty workers stay there ("i'm waiting for a mouse, can't work now, but i'm still getting paid") and good ones try to find a better oportunity elsewhere (and for shitty locations, that means far away, in a different country).
- xondono 7y ago
  I've been on this situation (except it was not a government job), I use my own mouse, keyboard, and I've had to upgrade myself the hdd and RAM on the laptop provided to get any job done. BYOD is heavily frowned in Spain, but employers insist on giving me home-grade cheap laptops for CAD work. It's madness.
  - ajsnigrutin 7y ago
    Government jobs are really really bad at this. Small companies are a lot better at this (atleast here).. the last time i worked at an international one, they sent me an email two weeks before i started there, saying basically "we don't choose the devices, but we have a 5k(eur) budget for a work computer, and you pick everything yourself - we suggest two monitors and a 'real' (non laptop) keyboard and mouse + a docking station", I emailed them the list, and everything was waiting on my desk. There was also a policy of buying small stuff we needed ourselves and getting paid back (keyboard stopped working?, don't ask, just buy/order it, and sent the receipt to accounting to get reimbursed). And after two years, we were allowed to buy the written off equipment for 5-10eur/piece. It has a lot of potential for abuse, but in that setting it worked great.
    - xondono 7y ago
      I would kill for something like that.This is the setup I was given on January when I started in my current job: - Lenovo Ideapad 520 (old version with i7-7500, I don't even know how they got their hands on one). - BenQ BL2420 (24" inch monitor) Total price according to Amazon ~ 700€ Comparing this to Altium Designer's Recommended Requirements is ludicrous, it barely met Minimum Requirements before I did the upgrades.
      - icebraining 7y ago
        I've worked for a top-3 TV/Internet/mobile provider in Portugal, yet people had to snatch monitors from colleagues who left. Meanwhile my project was in its fifth year of development, and only barely starting to invite clients, after the third rewrite. It's insane.

ajsnigrutin 7y ago

> they are productive when working in a different environment As someone from the balkans... it's not the enviroment that makes people productive (it can make them unproductive though), but the productive people choose to change their enviroment to one, where they can be more productive. And this is true for both plumbers and engineers. Just take a successfull good worker (and a bad one if you want), and put them into a shitty low-paying government job, where it takes three weeks to order a replacement computers mouse... shitty workers stay there ("i'm waiting for a mouse, can't work now, but i'm still getting paid") and good ones try to find a better oportunity elsewhere (and for shitty locations, that means far away, in a different country).

xondono 7y ago
I've been on this situation (except it was not a government job), I use my own mouse, keyboard, and I've had to upgrade myself the hdd and RAM on the laptop provided to get any job done. BYOD is heavily frowned in Spain, but employers insist on giving me home-grade cheap laptops for CAD work. It's madness.
- ajsnigrutin 7y ago
  Government jobs are really really bad at this. Small companies are a lot better at this (atleast here).. the last time i worked at an international one, they sent me an email two weeks before i started there, saying basically "we don't choose the devices, but we have a 5k(eur) budget for a work computer, and you pick everything yourself - we suggest two monitors and a 'real' (non laptop) keyboard and mouse + a docking station", I emailed them the list, and everything was waiting on my desk. There was also a policy of buying small stuff we needed ourselves and getting paid back (keyboard stopped working?, don't ask, just buy/order it, and sent the receipt to accounting to get reimbursed). And after two years, we were allowed to buy the written off equipment for 5-10eur/piece. It has a lot of potential for abuse, but in that setting it worked great.
  - xondono 7y ago
    I would kill for something like that.This is the setup I was given on January when I started in my current job: - Lenovo Ideapad 520 (old version with i7-7500, I don't even know how they got their hands on one). - BenQ BL2420 (24" inch monitor) Total price according to Amazon ~ 700€ Comparing this to Altium Designer's Recommended Requirements is ludicrous, it barely met Minimum Requirements before I did the upgrades.
    - icebraining 7y ago
      I've worked for a top-3 TV/Internet/mobile provider in Portugal, yet people had to snatch monitors from colleagues who left. Meanwhile my project was in its fifth year of development, and only barely starting to invite clients, after the third rewrite. It's insane.