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The result is obvious, spare parts will be available for ten years, but at crazy prices.

by degski 7y ago

pnako 7y ago
If those parts are standard there is no reason for them to be too expensive.
- asdaddasdad 7y ago
  Can you build an iPhone from standard parts?
  - pnako 7y ago
    This is a law for appliances.
    - asdaddasdad 7y ago
      Nevertheless the same issue applies. You can't build everything from standard components.
- degski 7y ago
  Look inside your washing-machine, and you'll see there are no std-parts. To make this problem 'go away' for the industry is to charge high prices.
zik 7y ago
Also this doesn't give you the right to repair your own devices. It gives you the right to take it to a "professional" who'll repair it for you.
- 14 7y ago
  And this is exactly the problem. The article talks about the huge amount of carbon that could be prevented from going in to the atmosphere because devices will last longer and be repaired. Well think about how much more would be saved if anyone could repair their own thing. And I say this because a new screen for my iphone that I put in myself is about 20$, if I go to Apple I am looking at 99$. I Can't afford to go to Apple and having replaced my screen multiple times as I am currently running an iphone 4s which came out in 2011 with the tiny little screen that has been broken at least 5 times if not more. So making it for professionals is just another barrier these companies were able to squeeze into the law in their favor. We are talking about swapping components here this isn't Rick's Restoration anybody with some basic know how and determination could do these jobs but the companies got away with arguing it was for reliability and product safety.
  - xxs 7y ago
    I absolutely agree the spare part should be available to everyone. However, keep in mind the article is about home appliances. There is a non-trivial risk associated with repairing appliances connected to the power mains - incl. electro-shock of the repair man... or the users. Water damage, leaking, flooding for washing machines, dish washers and the like.
    - 14 7y ago
      I do see the point you make, it would be very easy for someone to forget a gasket or not tighten a hose and end up with a flood. But I also believe this is just yet another excuse to try and lock customers out of their right to repair. Something like a microwave has a large capacitor and serious electrocution could occur. However, most appliances like a washer and dryer fridge and stove do not have these giant capacitors and simply by unplugging them one can pretty safely work on them. They could very easily do something like the xbox 360 did which had security stickers that you had to break in order to open your xbox. Pretty obvious that an xbox has been opened. They could do the same with their appliances and just use registered one time screws that break when opened and and only authorize professional repairs will be provided the same screws from the companies. This way the average guy could do it just without the registered screws. If there was a problem resulting in damage the company could verify you had all your registered screws in place or your warranty is void. Furthermore is these companies are so worried about us damaging ourselves then they could very easily provide some documentation on how to properly repair these things without risk. They don't want that. This is nothing but them trying to maximize profits at the cost of the customer and the environment.
      - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 7y ago
        You want to allow companies to not honor their warranty if the owner of the product opens their own property? That sounds like a terrible idea. If I buy a product, I am legally allowed to do with it whatever I want, which obviously includes looking at the inside or modifying it for my needs, and it would be a massive limiting of my rights if that suddenly would mean that the manufacturer is not responsible for manufacturing defects or design errors anymore.
flukus 7y ago
Hopefully the laws don't allow apple-esque DRM on third party components.
gbil 7y ago
They can't do that because the same spare parts are used by the manufacturer's official support. Νow in case they say that spare part X costs 100euros but only 10 if we do the repair, the regulators could easily jump in and fine the company for unfair tactics. Of course such tactics should be taken into account in the relevant legislation Edit for spelling errors
- degski 7y ago
  Yes, but already now they say it's 100 Euros, so they'll just keep on saying that.

The result is obvious, spare parts will be available for ten years, but at crazy prices.

by degski 7y ago

The result is obvious, spare parts will be available for ten years, but at crazy prices.

pnako 7y ago

If those parts are standard there is no reason for them to be too expensive.

asdaddasdad 7y ago
Can you build an iPhone from standard parts?
- pnako 7y ago
  This is a law for appliances.
  - asdaddasdad 7y ago
    Nevertheless the same issue applies. You can't build everything from standard components.
degski 7y ago
Look inside your washing-machine, and you'll see there are no std-parts. To make this problem 'go away' for the industry is to charge high prices.

zik 7y ago

Also this doesn't give you the right to repair your own devices. It gives you the right to take it to a "professional" who'll repair it for you.

14 7y ago
And this is exactly the problem. The article talks about the huge amount of carbon that could be prevented from going in to the atmosphere because devices will last longer and be repaired. Well think about how much more would be saved if anyone could repair their own thing. And I say this because a new screen for my iphone that I put in myself is about 20$, if I go to Apple I am looking at 99$. I Can't afford to go to Apple and having replaced my screen multiple times as I am currently running an iphone 4s which came out in 2011 with the tiny little screen that has been broken at least 5 times if not more. So making it for professionals is just another barrier these companies were able to squeeze into the law in their favor. We are talking about swapping components here this isn't Rick's Restoration anybody with some basic know how and determination could do these jobs but the companies got away with arguing it was for reliability and product safety.
- xxs 7y ago
  I absolutely agree the spare part should be available to everyone. However, keep in mind the article is about home appliances. There is a non-trivial risk associated with repairing appliances connected to the power mains - incl. electro-shock of the repair man... or the users. Water damage, leaking, flooding for washing machines, dish washers and the like.
  - 14 7y ago
    I do see the point you make, it would be very easy for someone to forget a gasket or not tighten a hose and end up with a flood. But I also believe this is just yet another excuse to try and lock customers out of their right to repair. Something like a microwave has a large capacitor and serious electrocution could occur. However, most appliances like a washer and dryer fridge and stove do not have these giant capacitors and simply by unplugging them one can pretty safely work on them. They could very easily do something like the xbox 360 did which had security stickers that you had to break in order to open your xbox. Pretty obvious that an xbox has been opened. They could do the same with their appliances and just use registered one time screws that break when opened and and only authorize professional repairs will be provided the same screws from the companies. This way the average guy could do it just without the registered screws. If there was a problem resulting in damage the company could verify you had all your registered screws in place or your warranty is void. Furthermore is these companies are so worried about us damaging ourselves then they could very easily provide some documentation on how to properly repair these things without risk. They don't want that. This is nothing but them trying to maximize profits at the cost of the customer and the environment.
    - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 7y ago
      You want to allow companies to not honor their warranty if the owner of the product opens their own property? That sounds like a terrible idea. If I buy a product, I am legally allowed to do with it whatever I want, which obviously includes looking at the inside or modifying it for my needs, and it would be a massive limiting of my rights if that suddenly would mean that the manufacturer is not responsible for manufacturing defects or design errors anymore.

flukus 7y ago

Hopefully the laws don't allow apple-esque DRM on third party components.

gbil 7y ago

They can't do that because the same spare parts are used by the manufacturer's official support. Νow in case they say that spare part X costs 100euros but only 10 if we do the repair, the regulators could easily jump in and fine the company for unfair tactics. Of course such tactics should be taken into account in the relevant legislation Edit for spelling errors

degski 7y ago
Yes, but already now they say it's 100 Euros, so they'll just keep on saying that.