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Reading between the lines, it looks like a queer mod felt unsupported by SE over a long period of time, and SE eventually decided to make a code of conduct chan

Reading between the lines, it looks like a queer mod felt unsupported by SE over a long period of time, and SE eventually decided to make a code of conduct change. These mods disagreed with that change (some using language like "thought crime") which precipitated their resignations?

MrStonedOne 7y ago
It looks more like one mod voiced something potentially ranging between legit concerns to outright argumentative opposition (we don't know) and got demodded for that, and a bunch of other mods are quitting in protest in part because of that, and in part because they feel it went from a mod as first class citizens community with a business component to a top down structure of decisions they have no say in. Basically if there was going to be a new rule, some of the mods would have preferred if SE had came to meta and asked for help writing it and feedback on it, and instead of being told what the new rule was going to be.
commandlinefan 7y ago
> reading between the lines The lines here are so blurry, I can’t make heads or tails out of any of this. All I can tell for sure is that some of the mods are upset about something (but won’t or can’t say what) and they’re leaving SO. The forced abstraction of this whole saga reminds me of stories I’ve heard from people who lived under communist dictatorships: they’d have to peel back multiple layers of insinuations to try to figure out what was actually meant. The way some of the commenters on here are dancing around saying anything concrete suggests that there are a few people who do know what’s going on but are afraid to come out and say what it is.
- csande17 7y ago
  I read through the resignation notices linked from OP, and this one seems to provide some more detail: https://christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6718/brothers-i-must-go https://christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6718/b...
  - Pfhreak 7y ago
    > If person A comes along and demands that I refer to them by their "preferred pronoun" (even if it is a mismatch for their genetic sex or the grammar of the language being spoken) and I refuse, that's considered an insult. Yep, there it is.
    - shakna 7y ago
      No, not really. > Now if I avoid pronouns altogether by sticking to proper names or disengaging from the individual, that's being considered an insult too. It seems like the new CoC requires that not only you don't disparage another's belief, which is fine and everyone agrees with, but you have to actively show that you agree with their point of view as well. You can't remain impartial.
twic 7y ago
Hold on, it's not clear to me that Aza's and Monica Cello's resignations are connected like this.
- zo1 7y ago
  Aza's formal resignation is here: https://literature.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1195/resignation-notice https://literature.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1195/res...
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MauranKilom 7y ago
It's not as simple and linear as you make it out here, from what I can tell. The individual fact bits are right, but the story you paint is too simple. One big point is that many mods resigned not over the future CoC change but over the plain unprofessional "termination" of the one mod in question (in multiple cases this being straw-camel-back regarding other recent missteps of the SO company). I recommend at least this interaction: https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5197 https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5197

MrStonedOne 7y ago

It looks more like one mod voiced something potentially ranging between legit concerns to outright argumentative opposition (we don't know) and got demodded for that, and a bunch of other mods are quitting in protest in part because of that, and in part because they feel it went from a mod as first class citizens community with a business component to a top down structure of decisions they have no say in. Basically if there was going to be a new rule, some of the mods would have preferred if SE had came to meta and asked for help writing it and feedback on it, and instead of being told what the new rule was going to be.

commandlinefan 7y ago

> reading between the lines The lines here are so blurry, I can’t make heads or tails out of any of this. All I can tell for sure is that some of the mods are upset about something (but won’t or can’t say what) and they’re leaving SO. The forced abstraction of this whole saga reminds me of stories I’ve heard from people who lived under communist dictatorships: they’d have to peel back multiple layers of insinuations to try to figure out what was actually meant. The way some of the commenters on here are dancing around saying anything concrete suggests that there are a few people who do know what’s going on but are afraid to come out and say what it is.

csande17 7y ago
I read through the resignation notices linked from OP, and this one seems to provide some more detail: https://christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6718/brothers-i-must-go https://christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6718/b...
- Pfhreak 7y ago
  > If person A comes along and demands that I refer to them by their "preferred pronoun" (even if it is a mismatch for their genetic sex or the grammar of the language being spoken) and I refuse, that's considered an insult. Yep, there it is.
  - shakna 7y ago
    No, not really. > Now if I avoid pronouns altogether by sticking to proper names or disengaging from the individual, that's being considered an insult too. It seems like the new CoC requires that not only you don't disparage another's belief, which is fine and everyone agrees with, but you have to actively show that you agree with their point of view as well. You can't remain impartial.

twic 7y ago

Hold on, it's not clear to me that Aza's and Monica Cello's resignations are connected like this.

zo1 7y ago
Aza's formal resignation is here: https://literature.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1195/resignation-notice https://literature.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1195/res...

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MauranKilom 7y ago

It's not as simple and linear as you make it out here, from what I can tell. The individual fact bits are right, but the story you paint is too simple. One big point is that many mods resigned not over the future CoC change but over the plain unprofessional "termination" of the one mod in question (in multiple cases this being straw-camel-back regarding other recent missteps of the SO company). I recommend at least this interaction: https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5197 https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5197