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Also, I don't feel like apologizing for having a high score. I've earned it with hard work over many years. I understand it is more difficult now, because most

Also, I don't feel like apologizing for having a high score. I've earned it with hard work over many years. I understand it is more difficult now, because most of the good questions have been asked, and the vast majority of new questions are a repeat, but that does not mean I should feel guilty for having been able to, in my niche sector, to amass scores by helping people in their coding endeavors.

Avamander 7y ago
Who said you have to feel guilty? It's just that you belong in a group of people that basically oppress other users, often unjustifiedly so.
- LeoNatan25 7y ago
  Who am I oppressing exactly? By downvoting, am I oppressing the asking person? That’s ridiculous. Why does everyone insist on being so weak-minded?
  - fourthark 7y ago
    I think people don't want to feel like they're in some sort of social Darwin experiment where they have to compete to prove the worth of their questions. They just want help with their problems. As many have noted, there is a conflict between the goal of a wiki and the goal of getting answers to people. I speak as someone with a decent score answering questions, who had to fight tooth-and-nail for years to stop people from downvoting and close-voting questions they didn't understand in one of "my" tags.
    - LeoNatan25 7y ago
      That’s understandable. Anyone downvoting a question they don’t understand is wrong. But objectively, there is a very large daily volume of very low quality questions. People can’t be arsed to, or are unable to, perform even the most rudimentary search, and just dump their questions, often in terrible English (In my niche, I’ve seen a clear correlation between bad English asking and duplicates or lazy “solve my homework” questions). I don’t think those are helping the community to grow in quality. I don’t think downvoting those is oppression, it’s a demand to do better. I’ve mostly left Stack Overflow because of these people. (No, I don’t claim oppression!)
      - fourthark 7y ago
        I agree that it can be exhausting. I just wonder if downvotes are the best solution. I put a lot of effort into editing questions to make them clear. More often than bad faith, I see people who don’t have the experience to know what a good question is, or who really struggle to express themselves in English. Often it’s only through interaction that I can tell if people are making the effort or not. Does SO need more people editing and doing triage? A different interface that bridges the gap between Q&A and wiki? I don’t know.
  - Avamander 7y ago
    You're literally invalidating all the effort put into the question with a single downvote without consequence to you. How do you not see that? Don't try to process more question volume that you can adequately rate, it isn't that hard. The path to hell is paved with good intentions (to make SO a better knowledge site).
    - LeoNatan25 7y ago
      I always leave a comment why I voted this way or the other, unless there is already a comment that explains why the vote is in progress. If I vote the other way, I leave a comment explaining why.
    - tanseydavid 7y ago
      How many SO moderators do you actually know @Avamander? Are they all the same? You repeatedly make really broad generalizations about SO mods that do nothing to help make your point.

Avamander 7y ago

Who said you have to feel guilty? It's just that you belong in a group of people that basically oppress other users, often unjustifiedly so.

LeoNatan25 7y ago
Who am I oppressing exactly? By downvoting, am I oppressing the asking person? That’s ridiculous. Why does everyone insist on being so weak-minded?
- fourthark 7y ago
  I think people don't want to feel like they're in some sort of social Darwin experiment where they have to compete to prove the worth of their questions. They just want help with their problems. As many have noted, there is a conflict between the goal of a wiki and the goal of getting answers to people. I speak as someone with a decent score answering questions, who had to fight tooth-and-nail for years to stop people from downvoting and close-voting questions they didn't understand in one of "my" tags.
  - LeoNatan25 7y ago
    That’s understandable. Anyone downvoting a question they don’t understand is wrong. But objectively, there is a very large daily volume of very low quality questions. People can’t be arsed to, or are unable to, perform even the most rudimentary search, and just dump their questions, often in terrible English (In my niche, I’ve seen a clear correlation between bad English asking and duplicates or lazy “solve my homework” questions). I don’t think those are helping the community to grow in quality. I don’t think downvoting those is oppression, it’s a demand to do better. I’ve mostly left Stack Overflow because of these people. (No, I don’t claim oppression!)
    - fourthark 7y ago
      I agree that it can be exhausting. I just wonder if downvotes are the best solution. I put a lot of effort into editing questions to make them clear. More often than bad faith, I see people who don’t have the experience to know what a good question is, or who really struggle to express themselves in English. Often it’s only through interaction that I can tell if people are making the effort or not. Does SO need more people editing and doing triage? A different interface that bridges the gap between Q&A and wiki? I don’t know.
- Avamander 7y ago
  You're literally invalidating all the effort put into the question with a single downvote without consequence to you. How do you not see that? Don't try to process more question volume that you can adequately rate, it isn't that hard. The path to hell is paved with good intentions (to make SO a better knowledge site).
  - LeoNatan25 7y ago
    I always leave a comment why I voted this way or the other, unless there is already a comment that explains why the vote is in progress. If I vote the other way, I leave a comment explaining why.
  - tanseydavid 7y ago
    How many SO moderators do you actually know @Avamander? Are they all the same? You repeatedly make really broad generalizations about SO mods that do nothing to help make your point.