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I'm not sure what "power" you think I have. I rarely vote to close questions. But I do flag, and do down-vote. Isn't that as democratic as it gets?

Avamander 7y ago
> Isn't that as democratic as it gets? Why should you be able to flag for close, downvote and get to delete all at once? It's basically all the power there is, especially bad if you own a tag badge. We have enough people to separate those tasks, it'd definitely reduce one person's ability to do harm.
- LeoNatan25 7y ago
  Everyone is able to flag for close, delete or downvote (above a very small point requirement—125, I thing). I cannot delete questions or answers on any whim. I can vote to to delete after a certain threshold of low-score passes. I don't see what is so problematic with this, as any user with a little persistence can reach this goal.
  - Avamander 7y ago
    How is "persistence" the correct characteristic based on which to select who gets to moderate? I'm also well aware of the thresholds, I don't think one user should just have only one integer value based on which one gets all the privileges.
    - LeoNatan25 7y ago
      Because someone who is active in a community and has high confidence by the community (= high points), it is more likely that this person is capable of moderating this community better than someone who is not familiar with the subjects of the community.
      - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
        That's the problem though, isn't it? > high confidence by the community = high points High confidence at answering questions. We don't get to vote on moderation, closed as dupe, deletion etc. Karma is only a weak indicator of being a good moderator. Sure they may know the subject well, but that's not reflective of a good and empathetic moderator. Frustration with this is one of the main reasons I just stopped logging in and participating. SE is now static web search results.
        LeoNatan25 7y ago
        I guess everyone sees the issue from their own point of view, of which there are many, and there isn’t one magic bullet to solve them all. I stopped participating because of the push to be more “welcoming”, even to those that put “it’s happening to me too, what I do???” as answers or those that can’t be bothered to search for anything, just want a solution HERE AND NOW. SO used to be a lot more strict than it is now, but people are complaining a lot more these days than before. That, too, says something about the community.
        Avamander 7y ago
        > I stopped participating because of the push to be more “welcoming” Because it's somehow hard to be welcoming? I guess it is for some people and now instead of a snarky comment they're just voting down, making everyone feel much better (/s). > as answers or those that can’t be bothered to search for anything, just want a solution HERE AND NOW. If only privileged users on SO closed such questions, but they don't. People are very rightfully complaining. > but people are complaining a lot more these days than before. That, too, says something about the community. It's always fun to blame users/someone else I guess.
        LeoNatan25 7y ago
        Way to get what I said out of context. You are just as bad HN user as a SO user. Cry some more.

Avamander 7y ago

> Isn't that as democratic as it gets? Why should you be able to flag for close, downvote and get to delete all at once? It's basically all the power there is, especially bad if you own a tag badge. We have enough people to separate those tasks, it'd definitely reduce one person's ability to do harm.

LeoNatan25 7y ago
Everyone is able to flag for close, delete or downvote (above a very small point requirement—125, I thing). I cannot delete questions or answers on any whim. I can vote to to delete after a certain threshold of low-score passes. I don't see what is so problematic with this, as any user with a little persistence can reach this goal.
- Avamander 7y ago
  How is "persistence" the correct characteristic based on which to select who gets to moderate? I'm also well aware of the thresholds, I don't think one user should just have only one integer value based on which one gets all the privileges.
  - LeoNatan25 7y ago
    Because someone who is active in a community and has high confidence by the community (= high points), it is more likely that this person is capable of moderating this community better than someone who is not familiar with the subjects of the community.
    - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
      That's the problem though, isn't it? > high confidence by the community = high points High confidence at answering questions. We don't get to vote on moderation, closed as dupe, deletion etc. Karma is only a weak indicator of being a good moderator. Sure they may know the subject well, but that's not reflective of a good and empathetic moderator. Frustration with this is one of the main reasons I just stopped logging in and participating. SE is now static web search results.
      - LeoNatan25 7y ago
        I guess everyone sees the issue from their own point of view, of which there are many, and there isn’t one magic bullet to solve them all. I stopped participating because of the push to be more “welcoming”, even to those that put “it’s happening to me too, what I do???” as answers or those that can’t be bothered to search for anything, just want a solution HERE AND NOW. SO used to be a lot more strict than it is now, but people are complaining a lot more these days than before. That, too, says something about the community.
        Avamander 7y ago
        > I stopped participating because of the push to be more “welcoming” Because it's somehow hard to be welcoming? I guess it is for some people and now instead of a snarky comment they're just voting down, making everyone feel much better (/s). > as answers or those that can’t be bothered to search for anything, just want a solution HERE AND NOW. If only privileged users on SO closed such questions, but they don't. People are very rightfully complaining. > but people are complaining a lot more these days than before. That, too, says something about the community. It's always fun to blame users/someone else I guess.
        LeoNatan25 7y ago
        Way to get what I said out of context. You are just as bad HN user as a SO user. Cry some more.