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My understanding is that the train of events that resulted in mod Monica Cellio’s demodding from SE started with a gender-related complaint tweet (https://mediu

by Jun8 7y ago

My understanding is that the train of events that resulted in mod Monica Cellio’s demodding from SE started with a gender-related complaint tweet (https://medium.com/@cellio/dear-stack-overflow-we-need-to-talk-13bf3f90204f https://medium.com/@cellio/dear-stack-overflow-we-need-to-ta...). Companies are now very sensitive to this pattern, esp. true for SE due to the ongoing changes there.

ForHackernews 7y ago
> esp. true for SE due to the ongoing changes there For the benefit of those of us who don't closely follow Stack Overflow meta-drama, can you explain what this is alluding to?
- Jun8 7y ago
  Recent change in management discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21062191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21062191 was widely interpreted as getting ready for SE to be sold. At this point any sort of bad publicity would be shunned, especially. of the “it’s not a welcoming community” kind.
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lonelappde 7y ago
That Twitter kerfuffle was in 2018. Has there been ongoing train of events since then? Monica mentions "this rule mandates specific, positive actions." but not what the rule is, which I find disquieting. What is the rule, and if it's so bad, and also public (it's a new rule everyone has to know, right?), why is being kept secret?
- hapless 7y ago
  Using the correct pronouns for trans people. That’s it.
- Summoner 7y ago
  There's been a steady breakdown of trust and goodwill between SO Employee's and moderators/power users over the last year. Part of why this blew up so fast is probably that there's no good will left between the two groups anymore; and people immediately assumed the worst and reacted in anger. This is a decent (long) summary of what's been happening. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/331513/lets-take-a-look-at-the-interaction-between-staff-and-the-power-users-of-the https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/331513/lets-take-a-...
kazinator 7y ago
You know, maybe removing a whole site from the "Hot Network Questions" list is the easiest thing to do technically, if the goal is to stop certain questions from that site from showing up in that list right now? Mods should have cooler heads than this, I think.
- altfredd 7y ago
  And then they removed "Hot Network Questions" altogether (replaced them with "Network Questions, Manually Featured by Moderators"). And then all of moderators left. Wow.

by Jun8 7y ago

ForHackernews 7y ago

> esp. true for SE due to the ongoing changes there For the benefit of those of us who don't closely follow Stack Overflow meta-drama, can you explain what this is alluding to?

Jun8 7y ago
Recent change in management discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21062191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21062191 was widely interpreted as getting ready for SE to be sold. At this point any sort of bad publicity would be shunned, especially. of the “it’s not a welcoming community” kind.
- deleted 7y ago
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lonelappde 7y ago

That Twitter kerfuffle was in 2018. Has there been ongoing train of events since then? Monica mentions "this rule mandates specific, positive actions." but not what the rule is, which I find disquieting. What is the rule, and if it's so bad, and also public (it's a new rule everyone has to know, right?), why is being kept secret?

hapless 7y ago
Using the correct pronouns for trans people. That’s it.
Summoner 7y ago
There's been a steady breakdown of trust and goodwill between SO Employee's and moderators/power users over the last year. Part of why this blew up so fast is probably that there's no good will left between the two groups anymore; and people immediately assumed the worst and reacted in anger. This is a decent (long) summary of what's been happening. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/331513/lets-take-a-look-at-the-interaction-between-staff-and-the-power-users-of-the https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/331513/lets-take-a-...

kazinator 7y ago

You know, maybe removing a whole site from the "Hot Network Questions" list is the easiest thing to do technically, if the goal is to stop certain questions from that site from showing up in that list right now? Mods should have cooler heads than this, I think.

altfredd 7y ago
And then they removed "Hot Network Questions" altogether (replaced them with "Network Questions, Manually Featured by Moderators"). And then all of moderators left. Wow.