Yes, now you're addressing my line of questions. >But pure fraud? If you didn't even make an attempt to learn on the job? You'd get caught pretty fast as soon

Yes, now you're addressing my line of questions. >But pure fraud? If you didn't even make an attempt to learn on the job? You'd get caught pretty fast as soon as someone started asking any kind of in depth questions about the models you were supposed to be training. That's just what I mean. It would depend on someone asking you about it, right? (As opposed to being an iOS or Android developer or running microservices on the backend: in those domains nobody has to ask you anything, it's instantly obvious if you're not building and can't build anything.) For machine learning, who is asking these questions? If you throw data into a black box (3 lines of code) and are incompetent, can you please tell me a bit more about where you would get found out? Let's use your example, ecology. I show up, I get a dataset, and I put it into tensorflow using three lines of code I copy from stackoverflow. I lie and bullshit about the details of what I'm doing, by referencing papers from arxiv.org that I don't read, understand, or actually apply. It's just the same 3 lines of code I copied on day 1. I don't do anything on the job. How long could I last? An hour? A day? A week? A month? Assuming I am outputting 0 useful work. I'm not doing any machine learning. Just 0 competence, or I make something up by hand or in excel. I am trying to understand how people are judged.