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> A fully growth women, so terrified of any contact with men to barricade herself behind a geranium all day, should raise a red flag. Cool victim blaming. > A

> A fully growth women, so terrified of any contact with men to barricade herself behind a geranium all day, should raise a red flag. Cool victim blaming. > Any adult women should be able to stop and deal elegantly with an undesired proposition. They're in a professional environment, they shouldn't have to deal with this.

new2628 7y ago
> They're in a professional environment, they shouldn't have to deal with this. Tell that to all the millions of people who are happily married to people they met in professional environments.
- ianleeclark 7y ago
  > Tell that to all the millions of people who are happily married to people they met in professional environments. Ahh, cool, so we can keep harassing women insofar as there are sometimes positive benefits.
  - scrollaway 7y ago
    Some work environments are more amenable than others to developing relationships. Do realize that many people in this thread probably only exist because their parents met in a work setting. Your own grandparents may have. For many people, the workplace is where they spend the largest chunk of their life and thus the primary method of socializing and developing relationships. There are workplaces where this is inappropriate. There are situations, such as imbalances of power, making this inappropriate. But it is far less appropriate, edging on trolling, for you to categorize every single work relationship as "women being harassed in the workplace". Do know it is possible to develop a romantic relationship without harassing the other person. If you're not acquainted with the method, for the sake of your potential partners, please familiarize yourself.
    - ianleeclark 7y ago
      > But it is far less appropriate, edging on trolling, for you to categorize every single work relationship as "women being harassed in the workplace". Try reading my post again, my dude. Maybe go a little slower. Read it backwards to forwards, forwards to backwards, and then try setting aside ideological goggles for a second. We're talking about a workplace where women are doing something completely and totally bizarre: they're carrying around plants so they don't have to engage with someone. There's no situation in which that isn't totally bizarre--people don't just walk around with potted plants for the fun of it. So, I say, "Hey, maybe they shouldn't have to deal with this," yet I'm the one who needs to "familiarize yourself." What a deranged cadre of people the lot of you are--you're so desperate to explain away this abuse that you can't even keep the context of a thread only 3 or 4 posts deep.
      - scrollaway 7y ago
        I've read your post. Your post is a reply to someone who is talking about "all the millions of people who are happily married to people they met in professional environments". When you replied to that post, you stopped talking about MIT and Stallman, and you addressed a general situation: "Is it okay to have romantic relationships in the workplace". Maybe you should quit jumping on the opportunity to call people deranged/desperate/whatever and revise your own posts, because it's possible you're in the wrong.
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pvaldes 7y ago
> victim blaming Not. We need to use the correct terms. Victim blaming would be suggesting that the woman triggered the situation somehow. I'm not saying this at all. I'm talking about the reaction. IF that history was real [and not just a silly rumour] then we must notice that there is more than a people acting weird here. To freak out and carry an antiviolator house plant because you received a twisted visit card with dirty humour, once, well... this is not normal either, IMHO. > They're in a professional environment, they shouldn't have to deal with this. Fair point. 100% agree with that, but if you put several adult people in a room, they will inevitably try to develop relationships.

new2628 7y ago

> They're in a professional environment, they shouldn't have to deal with this. Tell that to all the millions of people who are happily married to people they met in professional environments.

ianleeclark 7y ago
> Tell that to all the millions of people who are happily married to people they met in professional environments. Ahh, cool, so we can keep harassing women insofar as there are sometimes positive benefits.
- scrollaway 7y ago
  Some work environments are more amenable than others to developing relationships. Do realize that many people in this thread probably only exist because their parents met in a work setting. Your own grandparents may have. For many people, the workplace is where they spend the largest chunk of their life and thus the primary method of socializing and developing relationships. There are workplaces where this is inappropriate. There are situations, such as imbalances of power, making this inappropriate. But it is far less appropriate, edging on trolling, for you to categorize every single work relationship as "women being harassed in the workplace". Do know it is possible to develop a romantic relationship without harassing the other person. If you're not acquainted with the method, for the sake of your potential partners, please familiarize yourself.
  - ianleeclark 7y ago
    > But it is far less appropriate, edging on trolling, for you to categorize every single work relationship as "women being harassed in the workplace". Try reading my post again, my dude. Maybe go a little slower. Read it backwards to forwards, forwards to backwards, and then try setting aside ideological goggles for a second. We're talking about a workplace where women are doing something completely and totally bizarre: they're carrying around plants so they don't have to engage with someone. There's no situation in which that isn't totally bizarre--people don't just walk around with potted plants for the fun of it. So, I say, "Hey, maybe they shouldn't have to deal with this," yet I'm the one who needs to "familiarize yourself." What a deranged cadre of people the lot of you are--you're so desperate to explain away this abuse that you can't even keep the context of a thread only 3 or 4 posts deep.
    - scrollaway 7y ago
      I've read your post. Your post is a reply to someone who is talking about "all the millions of people who are happily married to people they met in professional environments". When you replied to that post, you stopped talking about MIT and Stallman, and you addressed a general situation: "Is it okay to have romantic relationships in the workplace". Maybe you should quit jumping on the opportunity to call people deranged/desperate/whatever and revise your own posts, because it's possible you're in the wrong.
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pvaldes 7y ago

> victim blaming Not. We need to use the correct terms. Victim blaming would be suggesting that the woman triggered the situation somehow. I'm not saying this at all. I'm talking about the reaction. IF that history was real [and not just a silly rumour] then we must notice that there is more than a people acting weird here. To freak out and carry an antiviolator house plant because you received a twisted visit card with dirty humour, once, well... this is not normal either, IMHO. > They're in a professional environment, they shouldn't have to deal with this. Fair point. 100% agree with that, but if you put several adult people in a room, they will inevitably try to develop relationships.