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If you think global warming is no fun, you haven't seen what global cooling will do.

by jansan 7y ago

delinka 7y ago
Maybe they'll get together and we humans will just stay nice and cozy.
- gbrown 7y ago
  Ocean acidification wants to have a word with you.
  - taneq 7y ago
    Just as long as there's ocean basification to cancel it out...
    - mikepurvis 7y ago
      Yup, throw in a few spoonfuls of baking soda, just like a keeping the pH balanced in your hot tub. </s>
      - lgats 7y ago
        Perhaps you mean olivine? https://projectvesta.org/ https://projectvesta.org/ /serious
        taneq 7y ago
        That's awesome! I was being tongue-in-cheek but also hoping that something similar existed.
seren 7y ago
https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448 https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448 Just found that site randomly looking for Solar minimum and global warming. The effect seems limited. Still I would be OK if we got some (temporary) 0.3° temperature reduction for "free". Or maybe, we would lose another decade of complacency... At least 2019 was the summer where every temperature records were beaten in Europe, so if this should be associated with lower temperature, we are all gonna roast for the next solar maximum.
- olivermarks 7y ago
  'Human Influence on Climate Change is Bigger than the Sun's' is a very bold confident statement on that 'skeptical science' climate alarmist site
  - seren 7y ago
    I don't ask you to blindly believe what is written on that site, but if the sun activity had a great effect, since we are at the solar minimum, we should have experienced a colder year or summer according to that theory. So I don't know where exactly you live but this was the hottest summer since 1880, and if I remember last winter it was quite hot in Australia as well. As a matter of fact, I don't remember any place where people complained because it was significantly colder. Don't you think that fact alone should make you doubt the solar activity had any meaningful impact and will lead to another ice age ?
    - 411mrc 7y ago
      If we had no sun at all, I'm pretty sure we'd be an ice ball, save for volcanic activity. These impacts from solar activity take some time to develop, as I understand it. If we are in some sort of grand minimum, just wait a decade or so. If the Earth was highly reactive to these events (like breaking cold records everytime a minimum happens), I'm not sure we'd be here. The oceans store/release a lot of heat over the short term (years).
      - briantakita 7y ago
        "40 Inches of Snow in Montana: ‘It’s a February Storm in September’" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/montana-snowstorm.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/montana-snowstorm.html This is not an isolated event. Parts of North America & Europe has had snow & hale in the Summer. Australia had an unusually cold winter. There's also historical precedence for these anomalous weather events. Growing Degree Days compared between 2018-2019 has been falling in all of the US States except Alaska & Florida; over 20% in the northern states. http://iceagefarmer.com/gdd http://iceagefarmer.com/gdd At what point would APGW be falsifiable? How much summer/early-autumn/late-spring snow would it take?
delfinom 7y ago
Except that global warming is so out of hand that the 0.3 degree cooling effect means absolutely nothing now. Back in the 1600s, there wasn't much in the ways of industrialization and pollution to warm the planet.
- deleted 7y ago
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- lowken10 7y ago
  You are could not be more wrong.
- jansan 7y ago
  Maybe, but I always get a bit skeptical if people throw air pollution and global warming into the same bucket.
- Yetanfou 7y ago
  Can you point at the data you based your claim that global warming is so out of hand that the 0.3 degree cooling effect means absolutely nothing now on? I've been going over a lot (and I mean a lot) of data from many different sources. What I mostly noticed is that the temperature has been going up steadily from the early 1900s to around the mid '40s, after which it went down again until the mid '70s, after which it went up again. The current warm period seems to resemble both the Roman warm period (~350BCE-450CE) as well as the Viking age/Medieval climate anomaly, two relatively warm periods in recent history. The Roman warm period was followed by the Dark ages cold period (~450-850CE), the Viking age/Medieval climate anomaly by the Little Ice Age (~1350-1850CE). Judging by previous data it is likely that the current warm period will also be followed by a cold period, just as has happened countless times already.

If you think global warming is no fun, you haven't seen what global cooling will do.

by jansan 7y ago

If you think global warming is no fun, you haven't seen what global cooling will do.

delinka 7y ago

Maybe they'll get together and we humans will just stay nice and cozy.

gbrown 7y ago
Ocean acidification wants to have a word with you.
- taneq 7y ago
  Just as long as there's ocean basification to cancel it out...
  - mikepurvis 7y ago
    Yup, throw in a few spoonfuls of baking soda, just like a keeping the pH balanced in your hot tub. </s>
    - lgats 7y ago
      Perhaps you mean olivine? https://projectvesta.org/ https://projectvesta.org/ /serious
      - taneq 7y ago
        That's awesome! I was being tongue-in-cheek but also hoping that something similar existed.

seren 7y ago

https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448 https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448 Just found that site randomly looking for Solar minimum and global warming. The effect seems limited. Still I would be OK if we got some (temporary) 0.3° temperature reduction for "free". Or maybe, we would lose another decade of complacency... At least 2019 was the summer where every temperature records were beaten in Europe, so if this should be associated with lower temperature, we are all gonna roast for the next solar maximum.

olivermarks 7y ago
'Human Influence on Climate Change is Bigger than the Sun's' is a very bold confident statement on that 'skeptical science' climate alarmist site
- seren 7y ago
  I don't ask you to blindly believe what is written on that site, but if the sun activity had a great effect, since we are at the solar minimum, we should have experienced a colder year or summer according to that theory. So I don't know where exactly you live but this was the hottest summer since 1880, and if I remember last winter it was quite hot in Australia as well. As a matter of fact, I don't remember any place where people complained because it was significantly colder. Don't you think that fact alone should make you doubt the solar activity had any meaningful impact and will lead to another ice age ?
  - 411mrc 7y ago
    If we had no sun at all, I'm pretty sure we'd be an ice ball, save for volcanic activity. These impacts from solar activity take some time to develop, as I understand it. If we are in some sort of grand minimum, just wait a decade or so. If the Earth was highly reactive to these events (like breaking cold records everytime a minimum happens), I'm not sure we'd be here. The oceans store/release a lot of heat over the short term (years).
    - briantakita 7y ago
      "40 Inches of Snow in Montana: ‘It’s a February Storm in September’" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/montana-snowstorm.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/montana-snowstorm.html This is not an isolated event. Parts of North America & Europe has had snow & hale in the Summer. Australia had an unusually cold winter. There's also historical precedence for these anomalous weather events. Growing Degree Days compared between 2018-2019 has been falling in all of the US States except Alaska & Florida; over 20% in the northern states. http://iceagefarmer.com/gdd http://iceagefarmer.com/gdd At what point would APGW be falsifiable? How much summer/early-autumn/late-spring snow would it take?

delfinom 7y ago

Except that global warming is so out of hand that the 0.3 degree cooling effect means absolutely nothing now. Back in the 1600s, there wasn't much in the ways of industrialization and pollution to warm the planet.

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lowken10 7y ago
You are could not be more wrong.
jansan 7y ago
Maybe, but I always get a bit skeptical if people throw air pollution and global warming into the same bucket.
Yetanfou 7y ago
Can you point at the data you based your claim that global warming is so out of hand that the 0.3 degree cooling effect means absolutely nothing now on? I've been going over a lot (and I mean a lot) of data from many different sources. What I mostly noticed is that the temperature has been going up steadily from the early 1900s to around the mid '40s, after which it went down again until the mid '70s, after which it went up again. The current warm period seems to resemble both the Roman warm period (~350BCE-450CE) as well as the Viking age/Medieval climate anomaly, two relatively warm periods in recent history. The Roman warm period was followed by the Dark ages cold period (~450-850CE), the Viking age/Medieval climate anomaly by the Little Ice Age (~1350-1850CE). Judging by previous data it is likely that the current warm period will also be followed by a cold period, just as has happened countless times already.