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I'm not sure someone with such bizarre views on consent should be in a leadership position or be a teacher. I usually agree with articles like this but then I r

I'm not sure someone with such bizarre views on consent should be in a leadership position or be a teacher. I usually agree with articles like this but then I read stallmans views and they are probably disqualifying.

roenxi 7y ago
If you did a survey of any corporate or political organisation there would be large numbers of unbelievably competent people who hole weird and objectionable views. If a view isn't relevant to what someone is doing we have to be able to look past it. You are underestimating, radically, the diversity of thought amongst humans. And particularly on the margins of leadership where the people who come up with new ideas are - obviously they aren't guided by social proof because they are working on new ideas. They have to be very experimental, and probably believe all sorts of weird and wonderful things. If Stallman was the sort of person who only held mainstream views he would not be in the FSF. Which was a point addressed in this article. I don't know which views in particular you are talking about, but many of them are much more mainstream than his critics are admitting to. Particularly the 17-or-18 comment; in Australia consent is age 16 so he had a point there.
- DanBC 7y ago
  > who hole weird and objectionable views And if they publicly talk about those weird views they may find themselves being asked to leave their organisation, especially if those views are that child sexual abuse isn't so bad. > in Australia consent is age 16 so he had a point there. Can you link to the Australian law that shows the age of consent for coerced prostitutes is 16?
  - roenxi 7y ago
    Well, yeah. Stallman didn't talk about this sort of thing publicly. His talks were on software licensing. This latest conversation, for example, was leaked because originally it was private. > Can you link to the Australian law that shows the age of consent for coerced prostitutes is 16? Here you go. http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s66c.html http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/cons...
    - DanBC 7y ago
      So that law clearly isn't relevant. How about this? http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s80b.html http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/cons...
      - roenxi 7y ago
        That law isn't relevant to the age of consent. It is more to do with people being forced in to sex. Obviously sexual slavery is illegal. Everyone agrees that that is a bad thing, and nobody I've heard of has ever tried to argue there is a nuance there.

roenxi 7y ago

If you did a survey of any corporate or political organisation there would be large numbers of unbelievably competent people who hole weird and objectionable views. If a view isn't relevant to what someone is doing we have to be able to look past it. You are underestimating, radically, the diversity of thought amongst humans. And particularly on the margins of leadership where the people who come up with new ideas are - obviously they aren't guided by social proof because they are working on new ideas. They have to be very experimental, and probably believe all sorts of weird and wonderful things. If Stallman was the sort of person who only held mainstream views he would not be in the FSF. Which was a point addressed in this article. I don't know which views in particular you are talking about, but many of them are much more mainstream than his critics are admitting to. Particularly the 17-or-18 comment; in Australia consent is age 16 so he had a point there.

DanBC 7y ago
> who hole weird and objectionable views And if they publicly talk about those weird views they may find themselves being asked to leave their organisation, especially if those views are that child sexual abuse isn't so bad. > in Australia consent is age 16 so he had a point there. Can you link to the Australian law that shows the age of consent for coerced prostitutes is 16?
- roenxi 7y ago
  Well, yeah. Stallman didn't talk about this sort of thing publicly. His talks were on software licensing. This latest conversation, for example, was leaked because originally it was private. > Can you link to the Australian law that shows the age of consent for coerced prostitutes is 16? Here you go. http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s66c.html http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/cons...
  - DanBC 7y ago
    So that law clearly isn't relevant. How about this? http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s80b.html http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/cons...
    - roenxi 7y ago
      That law isn't relevant to the age of consent. It is more to do with people being forced in to sex. Obviously sexual slavery is illegal. Everyone agrees that that is a bad thing, and nobody I've heard of has ever tried to argue there is a nuance there.