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As an observer from the outside i have to say, that i am as an "privileged white male" will pay much attention to what i will say in the future. This is my conc

As an observer from the outside i have to say, that i am as an "privileged white male" will pay much attention to what i will say in the future. This is my conclusion about what happened here and happened to Linus. The feeling that you have to be super sensitive will close more doors then before - prove me wrong.

Insanity 7y ago
To Linus Torvalds? Wasn't he just temporarily absent for one release due to being 'abusive on pull requests'? Because AFAIK he did not get as much backlash as RMS is getting at the moment, nor did he lose any position somewhere.
- reitanqild 7y ago
  IIRC rumor I've seen has it he's extremely careful in things like never being alone with certain people etc.
  - Insanity 7y ago
    Didn't hear those rumors before. But, even if that's a rumor that's been going around, it's just a rumor :P
magicalhippo 7y ago
One should indeed be careful about what one says at work. When at work it's very different from when I'm at home with my mates. Me and my coworkers have to share space, and so the dynamics are not the same. If one of my mates gets hurt by my jokes at his expense, he can just decide not meet me. At work, my coworkers don't really have a choice. On a related note, the Mercedes F1 team just fired four employees, apparently for making a poll of when one of their coworkers would break his Ramadan fast. Maybe funny for a group of pals, but not fitting at the workplace. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/146280/mercedes-dismissed-staff-for-diversity-breach https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/146280/mercedes-dismissed-...
- monsieurbanana 7y ago
  At home with your mates? What about streaming with your mates? Or in a public conference unrelated to your work with your mates? Or just anywhere where you could be recorded? The kind of people that grossly misinterpreted (and I use these words because my English isn't good enough to use stronger words while remaining polite) Stallman's comment about Minksy won't care about the situation or context.
DanBC 7y ago
> will pay much attention to what i will say in the future. At what point in your working life have you ever wanted to say "child sexual abuse is okay"? Is this really something you feel that you want to say but now can't?
- andrewgioia 7y ago
  Holy strawman, batman! This is so bad I felt inclined to comment. Neither OP nor RMS said "child sexual abuse is okay" or wants to say that--you know that, right? Why are you phrasing it that way? The only rational interpretation is that you're deliberately misrepresenting things, which is ironically one of the main thrusts of the linked article. The language used here is important, as are forums like this one.
  - DanBC 7y ago
    RMS has previously said that child sexual abuse is not harmful. He's said that the harms of incest can be avoided if people use condoms. He's called for the "end of censorship of child pornography".

Insanity 7y ago

To Linus Torvalds? Wasn't he just temporarily absent for one release due to being 'abusive on pull requests'? Because AFAIK he did not get as much backlash as RMS is getting at the moment, nor did he lose any position somewhere.

reitanqild 7y ago
IIRC rumor I've seen has it he's extremely careful in things like never being alone with certain people etc.
- Insanity 7y ago
  Didn't hear those rumors before. But, even if that's a rumor that's been going around, it's just a rumor :P

magicalhippo 7y ago

One should indeed be careful about what one says at work. When at work it's very different from when I'm at home with my mates. Me and my coworkers have to share space, and so the dynamics are not the same. If one of my mates gets hurt by my jokes at his expense, he can just decide not meet me. At work, my coworkers don't really have a choice. On a related note, the Mercedes F1 team just fired four employees, apparently for making a poll of when one of their coworkers would break his Ramadan fast. Maybe funny for a group of pals, but not fitting at the workplace. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/146280/mercedes-dismissed-staff-for-diversity-breach https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/146280/mercedes-dismissed-...

monsieurbanana 7y ago
At home with your mates? What about streaming with your mates? Or in a public conference unrelated to your work with your mates? Or just anywhere where you could be recorded? The kind of people that grossly misinterpreted (and I use these words because my English isn't good enough to use stronger words while remaining polite) Stallman's comment about Minksy won't care about the situation or context.

DanBC 7y ago

> will pay much attention to what i will say in the future. At what point in your working life have you ever wanted to say "child sexual abuse is okay"? Is this really something you feel that you want to say but now can't?

andrewgioia 7y ago
Holy strawman, batman! This is so bad I felt inclined to comment. Neither OP nor RMS said "child sexual abuse is okay" or wants to say that--you know that, right? Why are you phrasing it that way? The only rational interpretation is that you're deliberately misrepresenting things, which is ironically one of the main thrusts of the linked article. The language used here is important, as are forums like this one.
- DanBC 7y ago
  RMS has previously said that child sexual abuse is not harmful. He's said that the harms of incest can be avoided if people use condoms. He's called for the "end of censorship of child pornography".