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I'm not sure which of my outrageous claims you are disputing. :D Everything you do in life involves sales skills. Getting better sales skills is going to mak

I'm not sure which of my outrageous claims you are disputing. :D Everything you do in life involves sales skills. Getting better sales skills is going to make you more money. Even if you worked in some high-fallutin' ivory tower institution you still need to go cap in hand begging for funding. Every job interview is a sales situation, every annual review etc. Are you disputing the claim about help desk having a high turn-over? Have you even worked in IT? Seriously. As for programmers making such big salaries, outside of anomalies like Microsoft, Google and Facebook, good luck with that one. Try comparing against electricians, plumbers and carpenters. Or even the bloke who owns his own lawn mowing business. Yes, I know apprentice jobs are shitty and they make peanuts, but after their apprenticeship is over, they can make big bucks. For big $ as a wage slave, try medical. Oh, you're such a delicate precious genius as a programmer, but couldn't cut it (sic) as a Doctor, Dentist or GP? Guess maybe you're not as special or smart as you think you are. A lot of programmers who think they are God's gift to the information age need to pull their head out and go outside. Even a garbo can make good $ (and it's great for your immune system!)

spitfire 16y ago
Amen. I'm slowly leaving the field because of the smell of it. I want to work with professionals, not idiot-savants in sandals and hoodies. There are professional shops, but they are few and far in between.
- dennisgorelik 16y ago
  Exactly by the time you would leave the field, software development would be in really high demand (like in ~1999 tech bubble times).
  - spitfire 16y ago
    I got head hunted almost every day in 1999-2000. I said no to every single one. There was just this slimy vibe in the air and I knew I didn't want to be involved. I don't want to be involved this time around either. So I've started my own company instead.
Locke1689 16y ago
I was pretty curious. Sales is nice and all but it still seems like the positions dealing with a volume proportionate to high level salaries would be just as rare as the top level software development positions. I'm one of the MS/Google anomalies, so I guess I'm not really familiar with IT. As far as medicine goes, I come from a family of physicians so I see the benefits and costs pretty well. That said, I could never really see myself being happy in medicine anyway, so it's never going to look terribly interesting. A lot of programmers who think they are God's gift to the information age need to pull their head out and go outside. Even a garbo can make good $ (and it's great for your immune system!) Sure, there are plenty of other good jobs.

spitfire 16y ago

Amen. I'm slowly leaving the field because of the smell of it. I want to work with professionals, not idiot-savants in sandals and hoodies. There are professional shops, but they are few and far in between.

dennisgorelik 16y ago
Exactly by the time you would leave the field, software development would be in really high demand (like in ~1999 tech bubble times).
- spitfire 16y ago
  I got head hunted almost every day in 1999-2000. I said no to every single one. There was just this slimy vibe in the air and I knew I didn't want to be involved. I don't want to be involved this time around either. So I've started my own company instead.

Locke1689 16y ago

I was pretty curious. Sales is nice and all but it still seems like the positions dealing with a volume proportionate to high level salaries would be just as rare as the top level software development positions. I'm one of the MS/Google anomalies, so I guess I'm not really familiar with IT. As far as medicine goes, I come from a family of physicians so I see the benefits and costs pretty well. That said, I could never really see myself being happy in medicine anyway, so it's never going to look terribly interesting. A lot of programmers who think they are God's gift to the information age need to pull their head out and go outside. Even a garbo can make good $ (and it's great for your immune system!) Sure, there are plenty of other good jobs.