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Mojave and Catalina added more restrictions around non-App Store programs where you need to sign and notarize. I know I’ll probably catch downvotes for it but

by rufius 7y ago

Mojave and Catalina added more restrictions around non-App Store programs where you need to sign and notarize. I know I’ll probably catch downvotes for it but I think this is a good thing for the average user as someone in security. I know it makes it more of a walled garden but I also know that the harder it is to run untrusted code, the better for the average user. The “terrible burden” is a couple of extra button clicks if working in Xcode or you could automate it with a script. I did the latter for the project I work on and it’s been fine. That probably drives a lot of folks to Linux and that’s okay. I’m for diversity in platforms but I’m also for strong protections for the users.

kunai 7y ago
Letting megacorporations decide what you do and do not get to do with your personal property isn't really what I would count as a "good thing" in any circumstance. Apple has gotten away with eliminating user freedoms time and time again under the guise of security. In many scenarios Apple's attitude towards its end-users increases perceived security while causing significant hurdles for actual security, such as how iOS no longer allows you to turn off Bluetooth or WiFi from the Control Center. Somehow I've never really seen an explanation for why this is better for security for the vast majority of people.
- ldrndll 7y ago
  You are still able to run unsigned (and now unnotarized) software. It requires holding down a single key when first launching it. I’m pretty sure the trade off here - to prevent the average, relatively uninformed user - from downloading and running random software is very much a worthwhile trade off for malware protection etc.
- judge2020 7y ago
  You can still bypass gatekeeper with Ctrl-click, it's less Apple deciding what users do with their property and more Apple making it less likely users get mad that their Mac got some malware (assuming notarization means it catches a good amount of malware before it's sent into the wild)
- princekolt 7y ago
  Don't buy a Mac then. It's not like they're forcing you.
- leokennis 7y ago
  Sorry, but this reads like "the seatbelt and airbag in my car prevent me from fully utilizing my personal property". For 99,99% of users, notarized apps are a positive. For the 0,01% who need it disabled, press the CTRL button.

by rufius 7y ago

kunai 7y ago

Letting megacorporations decide what you do and do not get to do with your personal property isn't really what I would count as a "good thing" in any circumstance. Apple has gotten away with eliminating user freedoms time and time again under the guise of security. In many scenarios Apple's attitude towards its end-users increases perceived security while causing significant hurdles for actual security, such as how iOS no longer allows you to turn off Bluetooth or WiFi from the Control Center. Somehow I've never really seen an explanation for why this is better for security for the vast majority of people.

ldrndll 7y ago
You are still able to run unsigned (and now unnotarized) software. It requires holding down a single key when first launching it. I’m pretty sure the trade off here - to prevent the average, relatively uninformed user - from downloading and running random software is very much a worthwhile trade off for malware protection etc.
judge2020 7y ago
You can still bypass gatekeeper with Ctrl-click, it's less Apple deciding what users do with their property and more Apple making it less likely users get mad that their Mac got some malware (assuming notarization means it catches a good amount of malware before it's sent into the wild)
princekolt 7y ago
Don't buy a Mac then. It's not like they're forcing you.
leokennis 7y ago
Sorry, but this reads like "the seatbelt and airbag in my car prevent me from fully utilizing my personal property". For 99,99% of users, notarized apps are a positive. For the 0,01% who need it disabled, press the CTRL button.