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We have decided as nations and societies that some forms of economic discrimination are too damaging to permit. The details vary, but typically the things we ca

We have decided as nations and societies that some forms of economic discrimination are too damaging to permit. The details vary, but typically the things we can't easily change: race, nationality, age etc. Such discrimination is generally outlawed. Someone lacking relevant market skills or education etc can go out and fix that.

jlawson 7y ago
>Someone lacking relevant market skills or education etc can go out and fix that. Not really, if they lack economic resources, have dependents, have low IQ, low grit, or lots of other reasons. Ultimately it comes down to what parts of a person you think they are 'responsible for' and what parts they aren't. You're saying that someone being a certain skin color isn't something they should lose opportunities for, but it's okay if they do so for being too dumb to complete and advanced education, even if they were born that way. My point isn't that you're right or wrong about either of these, but that if you really dig into this you'll find that any such narrative supporting an egalitarian notion that 'people ought to be equal' collapses with a few simple questions about genetics, free will, parenting, intelligence, and other such topics. Nobody gets an equal shot at anything.
- macintux 7y ago
  The lack of an equal shot is no excuse to make things even more unequal, wouldn’t you agree?
  - collyw 7y ago
    Are you calling for equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?
conanbatt 7y ago
> The details vary, but typically the things we can't easily change: race, nationality, age etc. Such discrimination is generally outlawed. Also generally perpretrated, by the same body that bans it. A great beauty about human beings is that they have a natural tendency to find what is best for them and their communities in spite of legalities that attempt to distort reality. In any case, what you are ascribing as unlawful discrimination is absolutely lawful and you would be naive to believe that there were castings for white asian geriatric women for the role of Black Panther to abide a law about the positively-discriminated groups you mention.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  Thankfully for society, countries manage to make common sense exceptions to those laws in a very limited number of circumstances. Movies and TV tend to be among the worst for discrimination as a result.

jlawson 7y ago

>Someone lacking relevant market skills or education etc can go out and fix that. Not really, if they lack economic resources, have dependents, have low IQ, low grit, or lots of other reasons. Ultimately it comes down to what parts of a person you think they are 'responsible for' and what parts they aren't. You're saying that someone being a certain skin color isn't something they should lose opportunities for, but it's okay if they do so for being too dumb to complete and advanced education, even if they were born that way. My point isn't that you're right or wrong about either of these, but that if you really dig into this you'll find that any such narrative supporting an egalitarian notion that 'people ought to be equal' collapses with a few simple questions about genetics, free will, parenting, intelligence, and other such topics. Nobody gets an equal shot at anything.

macintux 7y ago
The lack of an equal shot is no excuse to make things even more unequal, wouldn’t you agree?
- collyw 7y ago
  Are you calling for equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?

conanbatt 7y ago

> The details vary, but typically the things we can't easily change: race, nationality, age etc. Such discrimination is generally outlawed. Also generally perpretrated, by the same body that bans it. A great beauty about human beings is that they have a natural tendency to find what is best for them and their communities in spite of legalities that attempt to distort reality. In any case, what you are ascribing as unlawful discrimination is absolutely lawful and you would be naive to believe that there were castings for white asian geriatric women for the role of Black Panther to abide a law about the positively-discriminated groups you mention.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago
Thankfully for society, countries manage to make common sense exceptions to those laws in a very limited number of circumstances. Movies and TV tend to be among the worst for discrimination as a result.