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Well let me first start of by saying I respect you and what you have done so far. --but your response itself is symptomatic of what you have demonstrated on my
by iphoneedbot 16y ago
Well let me first start of by saying I respect you and what you have done so far.
--but your response itself is symptomatic of what you have demonstrated on my post and the sentiment I have initially outlined.
1) You said: I didn't intend the post to come off as arrogant, nor the replies to be defensive. I guess it's very hard to know what impression you give to people.
Reply: This is the same notion you expressed about how people/press have perceived you. Has it ever occurred to you that the way you are interpreted is because thats how you portray yourself. The impression you give people are at least 50% your responsibility and waving the flag of ignorance doesnt absolve you from that responsibility.
Hey dont get me wrong. I love guys like you, because your confidence/arrogance makes me sleep at night, cuz hiring guys like you is what its all about!
3) I agree with you on this. And I think its ok and great that you vented. But you must at least concede that there was an undercurrent of emotion(such as guilt) that motivated the post -and it eventually permeated thru the carefully chosen words. but yeah... sucks!
4) Maybe an apology enmasse would be good for therapy -maybe cathartic
5) But, you did assign blame. At least thats how it read. And I can only assume that is what you intended, since you have demonstrated your effectiveness with words.
you did give up. you were three month in to it. you basically decided to do something else than NewsTilt. And I think that is by definition giving up. Theres no other perspective to it. there is no other way to interpret it. You start to do something, and three months in to -you stop; thats giving up.
I think you've fallen into a fallacy I see a lot on HN: that making the startup work is more important than anything else.
-- now, thats just condescending and disrespectful though, im sure you are very wise in your grey old age. -but; Family, friends, life and love are ALL important. And yes, Startups too. Actually, theres a bit of irony that you comment on the fallacy of "startup work is more important than anything else".. because/// on your post.. you get chastised and you defend yourself for saying: "...but startups need that kind of work ethic from very early employees–exactly the reason that intrinsic motivation is so important. If your first employee doesn’t love what you do, doesn’t wake up each morning dying to work on HIS product, you have likely chosen poorly, and that’s exactly what we did." *
Anyway...
- pbiggar 16y ago> Has it ever occurred to you that the way you are interpreted is because thats how you portray yourself. Yes, of course. What I'm saying is that I don't deliberately portray myself like that. It's very difficult to get tone right in internet communication in general, and I don't have that solved, and nor do most people. 3) Sure, there was lots of guilt at the time. We lost $25K that belonged to small-time investors, as well as spending the $20K YC gave us. As well as that, we promised lots of things to lots of people, which we didn't deliver. I'm not sure it's what motivated the post though. The post certainly wasn't targeted at the people we felt we had failed. 4) But who would we be apologizing to, and why? 5) I really wasn't trying to assign blame. I was rather trying to be as forthright as possible about the causes of our failure. Assigning blame would be ridiculously difficult anyway. Who would be to blame for the breakdown in relationship between my co-founder and I? Both of us? Neither of us? Just him, just me? None of those are really satisfactory answers, and even if they were, there's nothing to be gained from them. > you did give up. you were three month in to it. We were about 8 months into it, but I think this doesn't affect your point. What I'm trying to say is that you're trying to assign a pejorative label ("giving up") to something which doesn't merit one. > -- now, thats just condescending and disrespectful though It must be possible point out stuff like this without the assumption that I'm being condescending, which I'm not (at least not deliberately, see above). > Actually, theres a bit of irony that you comment on the fallacy of "startup work is more important than anything else" I didn't love what I did anymore, I was waking up dreading the days work, so this seems to be exactly on point.