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Developments in all the areas you mention start with baby steps and incrementally progress toward greater and greater capabilities. This should not be news to a

by natch 7y ago

Developments in all the areas you mention start with baby steps and incrementally progress toward greater and greater capabilities. This should not be news to anyone here.

kybernetikos 7y ago
Sure, but usually we don't let Joe Blogs control it or even get in it or near it until there's a level of reliability and safety in its behaviour.
- natch 7y ago
  I think you’ll find that the behavior that is unreliable here is that of other drivers, not the technology. So what you’re saying doesn’t apply in this situation. Even if it did apply, I believe the technology is safe and reliable, because from what I have seen Tesla does extremely extensive testing. So this meets your filter as ready to be released to the public.
  - HeyLaughingBoy 7y ago
    Of course it applies! Human drivers are reliable in the presence of other, unreliable drivers. We deal with this kind of uncertainty every time we get behind the wheel. It's not a stretch to say that we should expect at least that much from automated driving.
    - natch 7y ago
      To that point, I believe this technology was not released willy nilly. The poster seemed to be assuming it was. I agree that a good level of safety and reliability is important.
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coldtea 7y ago
Development yes. Releasing them as products (which is the case we're discussing) when they have people-killing faults, no...
- natch 7y ago
  Plenty of people die in cars every day. Cars are released products, right? You are making no sense here. And the collisions reported with smart summon are fender benders not “killings”. No need to hype up the drama level.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >Plenty of people die in cars every day. Cars are released products, right? Yes, but current cars killings are due to operators (drivers) errors. Not in a self-driving parking-summoner killing people. Companies don't (or aren't supposed to) release production cars with known people-killing faults. And when some are nonetheless released (which happens sometimes, e.g. a defect found in the break system) companies get fined and/or people go to jail for those. It's not all A-OK because "people die in cars every day" anyway... >You are making no sense here. Oh, the irony.

by natch 7y ago

Developments in all the areas you mention start with baby steps and incrementally progress toward greater and greater capabilities. This should not be news to anyone here.

kybernetikos 7y ago

Sure, but usually we don't let Joe Blogs control it or even get in it or near it until there's a level of reliability and safety in its behaviour.

natch 7y ago
I think you’ll find that the behavior that is unreliable here is that of other drivers, not the technology. So what you’re saying doesn’t apply in this situation. Even if it did apply, I believe the technology is safe and reliable, because from what I have seen Tesla does extremely extensive testing. So this meets your filter as ready to be released to the public.
- HeyLaughingBoy 7y ago
  Of course it applies! Human drivers are reliable in the presence of other, unreliable drivers. We deal with this kind of uncertainty every time we get behind the wheel. It's not a stretch to say that we should expect at least that much from automated driving.
  - natch 7y ago
    To that point, I believe this technology was not released willy nilly. The poster seemed to be assuming it was. I agree that a good level of safety and reliability is important.
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coldtea 7y ago

Development yes. Releasing them as products (which is the case we're discussing) when they have people-killing faults, no...

natch 7y ago
Plenty of people die in cars every day. Cars are released products, right? You are making no sense here. And the collisions reported with smart summon are fender benders not “killings”. No need to hype up the drama level.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >Plenty of people die in cars every day. Cars are released products, right? Yes, but current cars killings are due to operators (drivers) errors. Not in a self-driving parking-summoner killing people. Companies don't (or aren't supposed to) release production cars with known people-killing faults. And when some are nonetheless released (which happens sometimes, e.g. a defect found in the break system) companies get fined and/or people go to jail for those. It's not all A-OK because "people die in cars every day" anyway... >You are making no sense here. Oh, the irony.