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I didn’t feel the need to specify that in my comment because the linked Reddit thread already explains it, it’s the top upvoted comment, you can see it just bel

I didn’t feel the need to specify that in my comment because the linked Reddit thread already explains it, it’s the top upvoted comment, you can see it just below the initial post. When I said “this is incredibly bad” I was referring to the dark pattern, I wasn’t trying to suggest that the option had been completely removed.

Kuinox 7y ago
To what i see, the top upvoted comment is at the third position behind a lot of subcomments, because of the "hot" ranking of reddit. By reading the discussions here, i don't think that a lot of people realised that the option is still there.
- chrisgarand 7y ago
  They're forcing people to online accounts by putting the offline option in the basement, it's the standard 'nudge' in software. Eventually they'll eliminate it completely. Some would consider this one a dark pattern, I would agree in this case.
  - pro8ndi 7y ago
    Except maybe in a “home edition” that can’t eliminate it completely. Businesses will flip their shit if employees needed an MS account. It would mean the death of Windows.
    - cameronbrown 7y ago
      > Businesses will flip their shit if employees needed an MS account. Not necessarily. Remember that Windows is an Azure product now. They want employees in the cloud paying for Office 365 anyway.
    - mcv 7y ago
      Just migrate your business accounts to Microsoft. I bet some companies will end up doing exactly that. For others there will probably remain an exception that will cost extra. (I may be saying this as if it's normal, but I need to turn up my cynicism quite a bit to fit this reality.)
- mastazi 7y ago
  Ah, it must be a user option in Reddit, I assumed that everyone else was reading the same thing I was reading. Also, at the time I commented here on HN, the top comment here was this one so I was assuming everyone would see it (but later it went down the page and now it’s hard to find) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21104074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21104074
tjoff 7y ago
Well, this is nothing new. The same story resurfaces pretty much every release of windows 10, as it did almost every release of windows 8. Not that it makes it better.
pro8ndi 7y ago
So you assumed everyone else would be able to catch the specific comment you read in a forum thread that will shift comment positions, or allow users to delete them.
- mastazi 7y ago
  There was no malice intended. At the time I commented, also the top comment here in HN was saying the same thing. So I assumed everyone knew what we were talking about. This whole HN thread had like 10 comments in total so it was easy to read. Then the thread made it to the HN front page, and it blew up. (And people in the US/Europe woke up while I was having dinner with friends here in Australia). Edit: the HN comment I’m talking about is this one, you can see from the timestamp it's older than mine https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21104074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21104074
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Kuinox 7y ago

To what i see, the top upvoted comment is at the third position behind a lot of subcomments, because of the "hot" ranking of reddit. By reading the discussions here, i don't think that a lot of people realised that the option is still there.

chrisgarand 7y ago
They're forcing people to online accounts by putting the offline option in the basement, it's the standard 'nudge' in software. Eventually they'll eliminate it completely. Some would consider this one a dark pattern, I would agree in this case.
- pro8ndi 7y ago
  Except maybe in a “home edition” that can’t eliminate it completely. Businesses will flip their shit if employees needed an MS account. It would mean the death of Windows.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    > Businesses will flip their shit if employees needed an MS account. Not necessarily. Remember that Windows is an Azure product now. They want employees in the cloud paying for Office 365 anyway.
  - mcv 7y ago
    Just migrate your business accounts to Microsoft. I bet some companies will end up doing exactly that. For others there will probably remain an exception that will cost extra. (I may be saying this as if it's normal, but I need to turn up my cynicism quite a bit to fit this reality.)
mastazi 7y ago
Ah, it must be a user option in Reddit, I assumed that everyone else was reading the same thing I was reading. Also, at the time I commented here on HN, the top comment here was this one so I was assuming everyone would see it (but later it went down the page and now it’s hard to find) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21104074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21104074

tjoff 7y ago

Well, this is nothing new. The same story resurfaces pretty much every release of windows 10, as it did almost every release of windows 8. Not that it makes it better.

pro8ndi 7y ago

So you assumed everyone else would be able to catch the specific comment you read in a forum thread that will shift comment positions, or allow users to delete them.

mastazi 7y ago
There was no malice intended. At the time I commented, also the top comment here in HN was saying the same thing. So I assumed everyone knew what we were talking about. This whole HN thread had like 10 comments in total so it was easy to read. Then the thread made it to the HN front page, and it blew up. (And people in the US/Europe woke up while I was having dinner with friends here in Australia). Edit: the HN comment I’m talking about is this one, you can see from the timestamp it's older than mine https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21104074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21104074
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