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As you should know as a software developer, development of major new capabilities is an incremental process, and for something like self driving cars it’s expec
by natch 7y ago
As you should know as a software developer, development of major new capabilities is an incremental process, and for something like self driving cars it’s expected that there will be a transitional period before self driving. Summon in parking lots is a good transitional step.
Remember Tesla is not just training cars here; humans also need to learn to deal and not freak out. There will be fender benders along the way. Most of them probably caused by other drivers, but bugs are also a possibility.
- coldtea 7y ago>As you should know as a software developer, development of major new capabilities is an incremental process Hopefully software developers with such an idea are not allowed in medical devices, aviation, missile guidance, space industry, industry robotics, and automobile...
- natch 7y agoDevelopments in all the areas you mention start with baby steps and incrementally progress toward greater and greater capabilities. This should not be news to anyone here.
- kybernetikos 7y agoSure, but usually we don't let Joe Blogs control it or even get in it or near it until there's a level of reliability and safety in its behaviour.
- natch 7y agoI think you’ll find that the behavior that is unreliable here is that of other drivers, not the technology. So what you’re saying doesn’t apply in this situation. Even if it did apply, I believe the technology is safe and reliable, because from what I have seen Tesla does extremely extensive testing. So this meets your filter as ready to be released to the public.
- HeyLaughingBoy 7y agoOf course it applies! Human drivers are reliable in the presence of other, unreliable drivers. We deal with this kind of uncertainty every time we get behind the wheel. It's not a stretch to say that we should expect at least that much from automated driving.
- natch 7y agoTo that point, I believe this technology was not released willy nilly. The poster seemed to be assuming it was. I agree that a good level of safety and reliability is important.
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- coldtea 7y agoDevelopment yes. Releasing them as products (which is the case we're discussing) when they have people-killing faults, no...
- natch 7y agoPlenty of people die in cars every day. Cars are released products, right? You are making no sense here. And the collisions reported with smart summon are fender benders not “killings”. No need to hype up the drama level.
- coldtea 7y ago>Plenty of people die in cars every day. Cars are released products, right? Yes, but current cars killings are due to operators (drivers) errors. Not in a self-driving parking-summoner killing people. Companies don't (or aren't supposed to) release production cars with known people-killing faults. And when some are nonetheless released (which happens sometimes, e.g. a defect found in the break system) companies get fined and/or people go to jail for those. It's not all A-OK because "people die in cars every day" anyway... >You are making no sense here. Oh, the irony.
- donatj 7y agoNothing has ever been or will ever be perfect revision 1. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen. The real world will always be where flaws get light shined on them. To your point, no one is still using Model T’s, flying Wright Flyers, or still living with a Jarvik 7 heart implant (note the 7 implying incremental progress). Further, the entire history of space exploration is built on learning from failures and explosions.
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- jakeogh 7y agoThe "humans are the bugs" excuse is pure denial on the pre-programmed proponent side.
- natch 7y agoNobody called humans the bugs. But sure, humans sometimes do make mistakes. And when a Tesla is involved on either side, news hysteria effect seems to kick in.
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- benj111 7y agoIf we replaced 'Tesla' with 'Boeing' and '737 Max', would you still feel the same?