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They didn't removed it. The title is misleading, The button is still there, but they renamed the button. It's under "Domain Join Instead" https://i.imgur.co
by Kuinox 7y ago
They didn't removed it.
The title is misleading, The button is still there, but they renamed the button.
It's under "Domain Join Instead" https://i.imgur.com/tA9fo1R.png https://i.imgur.com/tA9fo1R.png
And there you can create an offline account: https://i.imgur.com/eBLi5cv.png https://i.imgur.com/eBLi5cv.png
- wayneftw 7y agoMy initial thought was that they completely removed the option only in the Home version of Windows. Since (I don't think) you can join Windows Home to a Domain, is that true? Is the option for a local account now only available in Windows Pro, unless you install Windows Home disconnected from the Internet?
- Kuinox 7y agoAh ! Maybe. I only get Windows Pro editions, so i can't test this. In both case, the outcame is sad: Everyone here felt for something that is not checked(lacking vocabulary for this sentence), or Windows is getting worst for their users.
- batrat 7y agoNope. I recently installed windows home for a friend and I had the option for offline account.
- Wowfunhappy 7y agoHow recent? It looks like this change is very new. (You should still be able to force an offline account by disconnecting for the internet during install, but, that requirement is terrible.)
- Krasnol 7y agoNice...no normal user would click that. This is terrible.
- Kuinox 7y agoNot as much as the title imply, but yes, it's another one dark pattern.
- bachmeier 7y agoIs there anyone that even knows what "Domain join" means? If the button was there but hidden, would that count as "still there"? What if it was there but labeled "Click here to brick your computer"?
- klodolph 7y agoAnybody who has ever administered Windows PCs professionally at work should know what it means. I would not expect home users to know or care.
- yawaramin 7y agoI have used Windows PCs at work extensively. I had no idea that 'Domain join' could mean 'create an offline account'.
- amaccuish 7y ago> I had no idea that 'Domain join' could mean 'create an offline account'. It doesn't. It means, or at least it should, join the PC to a Active Directory/NT4 domain.
- klodolph 7y ago“Administered”. I’m not talking about local admin rights, I’m talking about the people in your IT department who administer a fleet of Windows PCs. It doesn’t normally mean “create offline account”, but domain accounts are not the same as Microsoft accounts, and domain accounts are a normal part of enterprise deployments. So it does normally mean that you can create a non-Microsoft account. Yes, it’s stupid. Not defending it, just trying to explain what “join domain” means.
- Silhouette 7y agoNot everyone running Windows PCs at work is in an enterprise environment with in-house IT specialists. Remember, most businesses are small businesses.
- jug 7y agoWeird location because local user accounts have little to do with domains. :P
- mastazi 7y agoI didn’t feel the need to specify that in my comment because the linked Reddit thread already explains it, it’s the top upvoted comment, you can see it just below the initial post. When I said “this is incredibly bad” I was referring to the dark pattern, I wasn’t trying to suggest that the option had been completely removed.
- Kuinox 7y agoTo what i see, the top upvoted comment is at the third position behind a lot of subcomments, because of the "hot" ranking of reddit. By reading the discussions here, i don't think that a lot of people realised that the option is still there.
- chrisgarand 7y agoThey're forcing people to online accounts by putting the offline option in the basement, it's the standard 'nudge' in software. Eventually they'll eliminate it completely. Some would consider this one a dark pattern, I would agree in this case.
- pro8ndi 7y agoExcept maybe in a “home edition” that can’t eliminate it completely. Businesses will flip their shit if employees needed an MS account. It would mean the death of Windows.
- cameronbrown 7y ago> Businesses will flip their shit if employees needed an MS account. Not necessarily. Remember that Windows is an Azure product now. They want employees in the cloud paying for Office 365 anyway.
- mcv 7y agoJust migrate your business accounts to Microsoft. I bet some companies will end up doing exactly that. For others there will probably remain an exception that will cost extra. (I may be saying this as if it's normal, but I need to turn up my cynicism quite a bit to fit this reality.)
- ineedasername 7y agoDo you actually need to be running a domain controller? Or is it local?
- Kuinox 7y agoYou don't need anything. The "use offline account" got renamed this way.
- thothamon 7y agoFirst of all, I would have had no idea that's what "domain join" meant. But second, I love how the option is down there with "terms of use" and other things you're very unlikely to ever read or look at. And third, it's cute how even if you somehow find your way to this option, they have the "but even better, use the online account!" Oh my god.
- vetinari 7y agoIt is still misleading. Under "Domain join instead", I would assume that I could enter an appropriate domain credentials and the computer would join the domain. Essentially the same thing, that the OOB assistant in RHEL8/Fedora does, when choosing Enterprise login.
- rogual 7y ago"Domain join instead"? That's bizarre, it's not even proper English. They really don't want anyone to click there.