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My idea of human potential is giving them the freedom i decide what they value. Incidentally, capitalism does exactly this. Free markets, free minds. All societ

by mruts 7y ago

My idea of human potential is giving them the freedom i decide what they value. Incidentally, capitalism does exactly this. Free markets, free minds. All societies fall short of this ideal, but America definately delivers more than anyone else at the moment.

d0mine 7y ago
What "freedom" are you talking about? Most people can't even afford the luxury of knowing basic facts about their world. Like a fish which doesn't know it is in the water, they don't know that they are immersed in the propaganda bubble. How many people do you think control all of the media? Do you think the goals of these 0.00001% are aligned with ours?
jarsbe 7y ago
How does capitalism provide freedom? The American laissez faire system seems to be falling apart at the seams. Power and wealth is becoming more concentrated while seeking to solidify that position through limiting the freedoms of the lower classes. Regular people are burdened with student debt and health care costs all within a back drop of little to no social support. Unions striking for better working conditions have their corporate controlled health insurance stripped away. Banks write balance sheets as they see fit, devaluing your wealth and causing financial crises. The list goes on. Being forced in to wage slavery to survive in this system doesn't sound particularly free.
- mruts 7y ago
  > Being forced in to wage slavery to survive in this system doesn't sound particularly free. That's like saying I was forced into heroin addiction because I felt bad. Let's be real for a second: people have choices, and the concept of being forced to do something or be something simply does not exist. Or, alternatively, you could say that everyone is forced to do everything they do. But either way, it means the same thing.
conception 7y ago
Capitalism and free markets are different things and a few threads here have lumped the two together. Capitalism just means the capitalism is owned privately. Capitalism drives towards monopolies and central control just as much as a totalitarian state does. Enforcing, regulating and supporting free markets is what keeps capitalism in check. And while rare you can have socialist free markets.

by mruts 7y ago

d0mine 7y ago

What "freedom" are you talking about? Most people can't even afford the luxury of knowing basic facts about their world. Like a fish which doesn't know it is in the water, they don't know that they are immersed in the propaganda bubble. How many people do you think control all of the media? Do you think the goals of these 0.00001% are aligned with ours?

jarsbe 7y ago

How does capitalism provide freedom? The American laissez faire system seems to be falling apart at the seams. Power and wealth is becoming more concentrated while seeking to solidify that position through limiting the freedoms of the lower classes. Regular people are burdened with student debt and health care costs all within a back drop of little to no social support. Unions striking for better working conditions have their corporate controlled health insurance stripped away. Banks write balance sheets as they see fit, devaluing your wealth and causing financial crises. The list goes on. Being forced in to wage slavery to survive in this system doesn't sound particularly free.

mruts 7y ago
> Being forced in to wage slavery to survive in this system doesn't sound particularly free. That's like saying I was forced into heroin addiction because I felt bad. Let's be real for a second: people have choices, and the concept of being forced to do something or be something simply does not exist. Or, alternatively, you could say that everyone is forced to do everything they do. But either way, it means the same thing.

conception 7y ago

Capitalism and free markets are different things and a few threads here have lumped the two together. Capitalism just means the capitalism is owned privately. Capitalism drives towards monopolies and central control just as much as a totalitarian state does. Enforcing, regulating and supporting free markets is what keeps capitalism in check. And while rare you can have socialist free markets.