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Except Apple have a lovely ‘Skip’ button at every step of the process. If you don’t want to use iCloud you’re not forced to by virtue of being internet connect

Except Apple have a lovely ‘Skip’ button at every step of the process. If you don’t want to use iCloud you’re not forced to by virtue of being internet connected, and there’s a clear option to not allow your iCloud account to be involved in auth or password resets.

fauigerzigerk 7y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's even possible to merge your iCloud account (Apple ID) with your Mac user account. Aren't these always separate identities? I thought what Microsoft is pushing people to do is to use a single identity for both their PC and their Microsoft account, just like Google does with Chrome Books. My concern with the single identity model is not just privacy. I worry that if something happens to my online account I might lose access to my local data. At least on Chrome Books this is something that can happen. Not sure about Microsoft's approach though.
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  > but I don't think it's even possible to merge your iCloud account (Apple ID) with your Mac user account. Aren't these always separate identities And enforced as such - just like you cannot have your macOS password be the same as your Apple ID password.
  - amaccuish 7y ago
    > just like you cannot have your macOS password be the same as your Apple ID password. Huh, yes you can? http://osxdaily.com/2015/03/24/use-icloud-password-as-mac-login-unlock-os-x/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/03/24/use-icloud-password-as-mac-lo...
    - FireBeyond 7y ago
      That's not exactly discoverable. Try a clean install of a Mac without having previously enabled this feature. You are prompted for your Apple ID and password, then to make a Mac account. If you use the same password for both, the OS won't let you. I didn't know you could later enable it.
      - amaccuish 7y ago
        > That's not exactly discoverable Sure it's not. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist/is not possible :)
jevgeni 7y ago
And you can get an offline account with Windows if you're offline. Granted it's not transparent enough. Thing is, what Apple is trying to achieve with iCloud is exactly the same as what MS is trying to achieve: bind you to a single account which will allow them to transition to a more service based business model. It's just Apple does it smoother.

fauigerzigerk 7y ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's even possible to merge your iCloud account (Apple ID) with your Mac user account. Aren't these always separate identities? I thought what Microsoft is pushing people to do is to use a single identity for both their PC and their Microsoft account, just like Google does with Chrome Books. My concern with the single identity model is not just privacy. I worry that if something happens to my online account I might lose access to my local data. At least on Chrome Books this is something that can happen. Not sure about Microsoft's approach though.

FireBeyond 7y ago
> but I don't think it's even possible to merge your iCloud account (Apple ID) with your Mac user account. Aren't these always separate identities And enforced as such - just like you cannot have your macOS password be the same as your Apple ID password.
- amaccuish 7y ago
  > just like you cannot have your macOS password be the same as your Apple ID password. Huh, yes you can? http://osxdaily.com/2015/03/24/use-icloud-password-as-mac-login-unlock-os-x/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/03/24/use-icloud-password-as-mac-lo...
  - FireBeyond 7y ago
    That's not exactly discoverable. Try a clean install of a Mac without having previously enabled this feature. You are prompted for your Apple ID and password, then to make a Mac account. If you use the same password for both, the OS won't let you. I didn't know you could later enable it.
    - amaccuish 7y ago
      > That's not exactly discoverable Sure it's not. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist/is not possible :)

jevgeni 7y ago

And you can get an offline account with Windows if you're offline. Granted it's not transparent enough. Thing is, what Apple is trying to achieve with iCloud is exactly the same as what MS is trying to achieve: bind you to a single account which will allow them to transition to a more service based business model. It's just Apple does it smoother.