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You should use the appropriate edition of Windows 10 for your use case: Windows 10 IoT Enterprise. You can disable all the updates and everything you want.

temac 7y ago
Technically, maybe. Commercially, the licensing is a huge mess. In some areas with low volumes you certainly don't want (or maybe MS won't even sell to you under reasonable terms) to deal with that. Even with medium/high volume I would find it nightmare.
- kyberias 7y ago
  It's not a mess. Windows 10 IoT Enterprise has a price-tag. I'm involved in a low-volume system and it's not a nightmare.
klingonopera 7y ago
Thanks for this. I must've shrugged it off initially for using the "IoT"-buzzword (who are they selling too?). Reading up a bit on it here[1], and again, I'm appalled. I don't want to waste time and money cherry-picking Windows versions. There's IoT Core, Mobile and Enterprise, and then there's Enterprise LTSB, apparently with year codes too, what gives? Nah, all this time and money wasted doing that can be invested in making the jump to Linux, because unlike Windows, chances are, that that will be indeed just a one-time investment. Linux also has a plus of making ghosting hard-drive images much easier, since there are no licensing issues to consider, and therefore could also be done completely offline (PCs are hooked up to local network for remote VNC connections, but are blocked from the Internet). It may be wishful thinking, but I hope that just like servers are 99% running Linux, the same may one day be said for industrial applications... looks like I'm on the front line, lock and load! [1]: https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/86c34321-c8bd-46d4-937f-7fda2e249410/is-windows-10-enterprise-and-windows-10-iot-enterprise-the-same https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/86c34...
- kyberias 7y ago
  Granted the IoT buzzword naming is confusing. Windows 10 IoT Enterprise is simply the good old "Embedded" edition which is fundamentally Windows 10 Enterprise with a price-tag. LTSB means that they have a specific version of Windows 10 that they will support for a long time. For embedded applications, that is perfect.
- Spivak 7y ago
  Linux is not a one-time investment unfortunately since the software landscape is constantly changing. For people who are invested this is generally a good thing. There are more distros that you’ll run into in the wild than editions of Windows easily which is doubly true in the embedded space. In the enterprise where Red Hat and Canonical dominate licensing is becomes an issue again when you use their paid offerings. So don’t get me wrong. I want people to switch to Linux but we gotta be realistic that it’s not a panacea.
  - klingonopera 7y ago
    Yeah, but try to get a Windows XP version running nowdays. You have to reinstall every 30 days or so, because of the activation shut-out. Windows 7 improved on this by ways of nagging instead of shut-out, so I thought we were on a good path here. And when those activation servers go down... what then? Linux? I'd just treasure that one (non-licensed) ISO I used, and that's it. Once I got a working setup, it could probably run for a century. EDIT: ...or at least until 2038 ;) EDIT2: It's also not really an embedded system, it's a control PC. Embedded PCs are those in ATMs, BK's product screens, running car washes, what we have are full-fledged PCs that just happen to be operating test-rigs. These of course have fail-safe shutdowns (run by actual embedded hardware) if that PC hangs or faults, but they're not actually intended to be embedded.
- nikbackm 7y ago
  IoT Enterprise is basically the same as Enterprise LTBS.
  - klingonopera 7y ago

temac 7y ago

Technically, maybe. Commercially, the licensing is a huge mess. In some areas with low volumes you certainly don't want (or maybe MS won't even sell to you under reasonable terms) to deal with that. Even with medium/high volume I would find it nightmare.

kyberias 7y ago
It's not a mess. Windows 10 IoT Enterprise has a price-tag. I'm involved in a low-volume system and it's not a nightmare.

klingonopera 7y ago

Thanks for this. I must've shrugged it off initially for using the "IoT"-buzzword (who are they selling too?). Reading up a bit on it here[1], and again, I'm appalled. I don't want to waste time and money cherry-picking Windows versions. There's IoT Core, Mobile and Enterprise, and then there's Enterprise LTSB, apparently with year codes too, what gives? Nah, all this time and money wasted doing that can be invested in making the jump to Linux, because unlike Windows, chances are, that that will be indeed just a one-time investment. Linux also has a plus of making ghosting hard-drive images much easier, since there are no licensing issues to consider, and therefore could also be done completely offline (PCs are hooked up to local network for remote VNC connections, but are blocked from the Internet). It may be wishful thinking, but I hope that just like servers are 99% running Linux, the same may one day be said for industrial applications... looks like I'm on the front line, lock and load! [1]: https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/86c34321-c8bd-46d4-937f-7fda2e249410/is-windows-10-enterprise-and-windows-10-iot-enterprise-the-same https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/86c34...

kyberias 7y ago
Granted the IoT buzzword naming is confusing. Windows 10 IoT Enterprise is simply the good old "Embedded" edition which is fundamentally Windows 10 Enterprise with a price-tag. LTSB means that they have a specific version of Windows 10 that they will support for a long time. For embedded applications, that is perfect.
Spivak 7y ago
Linux is not a one-time investment unfortunately since the software landscape is constantly changing. For people who are invested this is generally a good thing. There are more distros that you’ll run into in the wild than editions of Windows easily which is doubly true in the embedded space. In the enterprise where Red Hat and Canonical dominate licensing is becomes an issue again when you use their paid offerings. So don’t get me wrong. I want people to switch to Linux but we gotta be realistic that it’s not a panacea.
- klingonopera 7y ago
  Yeah, but try to get a Windows XP version running nowdays. You have to reinstall every 30 days or so, because of the activation shut-out. Windows 7 improved on this by ways of nagging instead of shut-out, so I thought we were on a good path here. And when those activation servers go down... what then? Linux? I'd just treasure that one (non-licensed) ISO I used, and that's it. Once I got a working setup, it could probably run for a century. EDIT: ...or at least until 2038 ;) EDIT2: It's also not really an embedded system, it's a control PC. Embedded PCs are those in ATMs, BK's product screens, running car washes, what we have are full-fledged PCs that just happen to be operating test-rigs. These of course have fail-safe shutdowns (run by actual embedded hardware) if that PC hangs or faults, but they're not actually intended to be embedded.
nikbackm 7y ago
IoT Enterprise is basically the same as Enterprise LTBS.
- klingonopera 7y ago