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I've got one of these smart devices in every room of my house. Love it. Fantastic experience. Maybe some day I'll pay for this. My take: I won't. I'm going to b

I've got one of these smart devices in every room of my house. Love it. Fantastic experience. Maybe some day I'll pay for this. My take: I won't. I'm going to be fine. And I have no anxiety about this.

iforgotpassword 7y ago
You're right. Most people "get away" with all this crap. My take on this is that I can't miss what I never had. Knowing myself, once I get used to some convenient tech it's hard to go back. I got my first smartphone only two years ago and even then consciously restricted my usage by basically just using it like my old phone plus email and a browser. No WhatsApp, no cloud services, no voice assistant. And every now and then when visiting a friend or colleague I'm amazed to see what's actually possible with modern tech if you fully embrace it. So I just fiddle around a bit out of curiosity and that's it.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  I respect that. Personal discipline. I think you can make your life better with these things, but if you've tried them and determined they're not for you, then not having them seems sensible.
asjw 7y ago
You can smoke and get away with it. It's stupid anyway.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  Nah, you can't. There is a continuous deleterious effect on your health, not just the increased risk of lung cancer. I used to smoke. The difference is huge when you don't. I've lived without the devices when I've been elsewhere for a while and I don't feel better in any way.
eeZah7Ux 7y ago
Corporate surveillance "pollutes" democracy like a car pollutes the air we breathe. You'll get away with using a internal combustion engine. You'll be fine. But you are harming me and everybody else.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  I don't think you've demonstrated the externality. You don't have to come to my house. Chances are I probably won't invite you.
  - Forbo 7y ago
    The externality is that a fosters an environment in which surveillance capitalism is able to thrive. It's not limited to just your home.
  - pcdoodle 7y ago
    While one of your devices collected a conversation about wine and sells it to my insurance company years later. Tata nerd!
  - eeZah7Ux 7y ago
    > I don't think you've demonstrated the externality. Forbo's answers points it out. > Chances are I probably won't invite you. Can't you come up with a better argument?
tracer4201 7y ago
You spoke against the hive mind on this forum and are getting downvoted. The agenda some people push on this forum is a bit asinine. Everyone is spying on me and intentionally out to get me. Corporation X, Y, Z are “evil”, etc. I wonder sometimes if this forum is turning into Reddit.

iforgotpassword 7y ago

You're right. Most people "get away" with all this crap. My take on this is that I can't miss what I never had. Knowing myself, once I get used to some convenient tech it's hard to go back. I got my first smartphone only two years ago and even then consciously restricted my usage by basically just using it like my old phone plus email and a browser. No WhatsApp, no cloud services, no voice assistant. And every now and then when visiting a friend or colleague I'm amazed to see what's actually possible with modern tech if you fully embrace it. So I just fiddle around a bit out of curiosity and that's it.

scarejunba 7y ago
I respect that. Personal discipline. I think you can make your life better with these things, but if you've tried them and determined they're not for you, then not having them seems sensible.

asjw 7y ago

You can smoke and get away with it. It's stupid anyway.

scarejunba 7y ago
Nah, you can't. There is a continuous deleterious effect on your health, not just the increased risk of lung cancer. I used to smoke. The difference is huge when you don't. I've lived without the devices when I've been elsewhere for a while and I don't feel better in any way.

eeZah7Ux 7y ago

Corporate surveillance "pollutes" democracy like a car pollutes the air we breathe. You'll get away with using a internal combustion engine. You'll be fine. But you are harming me and everybody else.

scarejunba 7y ago
I don't think you've demonstrated the externality. You don't have to come to my house. Chances are I probably won't invite you.
- Forbo 7y ago
  The externality is that a fosters an environment in which surveillance capitalism is able to thrive. It's not limited to just your home.
- pcdoodle 7y ago
  While one of your devices collected a conversation about wine and sells it to my insurance company years later. Tata nerd!
- eeZah7Ux 7y ago
  > I don't think you've demonstrated the externality. Forbo's answers points it out. > Chances are I probably won't invite you. Can't you come up with a better argument?

tracer4201 7y ago

You spoke against the hive mind on this forum and are getting downvoted. The agenda some people push on this forum is a bit asinine. Everyone is spying on me and intentionally out to get me. Corporation X, Y, Z are “evil”, etc. I wonder sometimes if this forum is turning into Reddit.