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The reason I invest my time and energy in my job is because working and maintaining a career is generally necessary for someone in my position. Within limits th

The reason I invest my time and energy in my job is because working and maintaining a career is generally necessary for someone in my position. Within limits the people (I don’t want extraordinarily unpleasant coworkers) and the mission (I probably won’t do anything I find immoral) aren’t extraordinarily important to me. I generally like the word “professional”.

artsyca 7y ago
bigred100, you've expressed the general consensus and I can't disagree with you, most of us are mildly detached and don't care about the 'soft' stuff but.. like.. hmmm.. all things considered, if you were to be paid the exact same amount for the exact same of effort, would you rather work for a company that makes things somewhat better for the world at large or somewhat worse
artsyca 7y ago
I too like the word professional very much, to me it means that I'm staking more than my reputation on something, I'm staking my clients' reputation as well I've made many sacrifices along the way to call myself a professional and the more I think about it, I want the people around me to care about professionalism as much as I do..
- bigred100 7y ago
  I agree with you on this point. I believe that’s part of doing a reasonably good job as an employee.
artsyca 7y ago
Let me give a little anecdote -- Apparently according to a previous post, there are three tribes of programmers[1] The hackers, the makers and the poets In my view there are actually other tribes, for example `the fixers` which I personally feel I naturally belong to -- Well I used to work with a fellow from Spain, he was a great coder and all, but he called himself a Punk, a Programming Punk and any time he'd show up it would be in some oversized T-shirt of some esoteric punk band Not that I didn't like the guy, but I simply didn't relate to his sense of professionalism which I found rather brash and arrogant -- I felt like he would harm my relationships with certain kinds of clients by what amounted to egotism Well, we were thrust together due to managerial allocations and I was forced to work with him, but I wasn't very glad about it. I kept thinking like "I'm sacrificing time with my kids to be with this Lone Ranger and he's not really giving me the emotional surface area I need to get my job done expediently' A lot of rookies would internalize this and tell themselves whatever they need but as an adult I found his behaviour simply moronic and that is one albeit small example of why I actually care about the behaviour and attitude of the people around me edit: [1] https://josephg.com/blog/3-tribes/ https://josephg.com/blog/3-tribes/
- bigred100 7y ago
  Some may disagree but I’d view someone displaying so many personal eccentricities as generally unprofessional. And (probably no one will disagree) failing to work as a team. And I do agree with you that contributing to and improving the culture of your team is very important. That’s something I’d care about as well. I guess I view it largely as part of the job rather than a personal thing if that makes sense.

artsyca 7y ago

bigred100, you've expressed the general consensus and I can't disagree with you, most of us are mildly detached and don't care about the 'soft' stuff but.. like.. hmmm.. all things considered, if you were to be paid the exact same amount for the exact same of effort, would you rather work for a company that makes things somewhat better for the world at large or somewhat worse

artsyca 7y ago

I too like the word professional very much, to me it means that I'm staking more than my reputation on something, I'm staking my clients' reputation as well I've made many sacrifices along the way to call myself a professional and the more I think about it, I want the people around me to care about professionalism as much as I do..

bigred100 7y ago
I agree with you on this point. I believe that’s part of doing a reasonably good job as an employee.

artsyca 7y ago

Let me give a little anecdote -- Apparently according to a previous post, there are three tribes of programmers[1] The hackers, the makers and the poets In my view there are actually other tribes, for example `the fixers` which I personally feel I naturally belong to -- Well I used to work with a fellow from Spain, he was a great coder and all, but he called himself a Punk, a Programming Punk and any time he'd show up it would be in some oversized T-shirt of some esoteric punk band Not that I didn't like the guy, but I simply didn't relate to his sense of professionalism which I found rather brash and arrogant -- I felt like he would harm my relationships with certain kinds of clients by what amounted to egotism Well, we were thrust together due to managerial allocations and I was forced to work with him, but I wasn't very glad about it. I kept thinking like "I'm sacrificing time with my kids to be with this Lone Ranger and he's not really giving me the emotional surface area I need to get my job done expediently' A lot of rookies would internalize this and tell themselves whatever they need but as an adult I found his behaviour simply moronic and that is one albeit small example of why I actually care about the behaviour and attitude of the people around me edit: [1] https://josephg.com/blog/3-tribes/ https://josephg.com/blog/3-tribes/

bigred100 7y ago
Some may disagree but I’d view someone displaying so many personal eccentricities as generally unprofessional. And (probably no one will disagree) failing to work as a team. And I do agree with you that contributing to and improving the culture of your team is very important. That’s something I’d care about as well. I guess I view it largely as part of the job rather than a personal thing if that makes sense.