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> I don't want to cut my nose off to spite my face I have trouble understanding this perspective since it's hard to see what critical functionality Windows pro

> I don't want to cut my nose off to spite my face I have trouble understanding this perspective since it's hard to see what critical functionality Windows provides, that you can't get with Mac OS or Linux. If they wouldn't be materially different experiences, the metaphor doesn't hold water.

fortran77 7y ago
I can't run NVidia on Macs (Ok, some Mac true believer will tell me I can get an PCI-X external cage and run it over thunderbolt with crazy drivers) and I can't run Adobe Premiere, After Effects, Audition, etc, on a Linux machine.
- angry_octet 7y ago
  It's one reason I gave up having a MacBook Pro, the hardware is underwhelming in so many ways. But my Mac Pro from 2010 still gets nvidia driver updates and cuda support. In the unlikely event someone will pay for a new Mac Pro for me I'll be able to stick a 2080 in it. You can stick an nvidia card in a PCI-e chassis and it will work on a laptop or Mac mini, but yes it isn't optimal.
  - fortran77 7y ago
    "isn't optimal" is an understatement. It's downright wonky!
    - angry_octet 7y ago
      I've had good experiences with Magma PCIe expanders, for linux and macis, though they are firmly in the enterprise space. https://www.onestopsystems.com/pcie-expansion https://www.onestopsystems.com/pcie-expansion Ah, the joys of finding quirks in PCIe enumeration when you have PCIe switches and expansion bridges.
GordonS 7y ago
> it's hard to see what critical functionality Windows provides, that you can't get with Mac OS or Linux With MacOS, your choice of hardware is very limited, and you have to pay way over the odds for it. You also can't run a lot of games on it. With Linux, the desktop experience is, IMO, not as good as on Windows, and neither is driver support. Things have improved a lot here, but the UX is just not as polished as Windows. I do love Linux though - for servers, I wouldn't use anything else. I really like Windows 10 Pro/Enterprise (apart from dick moves like this, of course). I can build incredibly powerful desktop or laptop machines, in terms of RAM, CPU and GPU - and everything is more or less guaranteed to "just work", and be stable too. You get excellent multi-monitor and high-DPI support, good accessability features, Hyper-V for running VMs, Sandbox coming soon, WSL for a Linux-like experience - and WSL2 will soon make it even better. And of course your gaming options are much better too.

fortran77 7y ago

I can't run NVidia on Macs (Ok, some Mac true believer will tell me I can get an PCI-X external cage and run it over thunderbolt with crazy drivers) and I can't run Adobe Premiere, After Effects, Audition, etc, on a Linux machine.

angry_octet 7y ago
It's one reason I gave up having a MacBook Pro, the hardware is underwhelming in so many ways. But my Mac Pro from 2010 still gets nvidia driver updates and cuda support. In the unlikely event someone will pay for a new Mac Pro for me I'll be able to stick a 2080 in it. You can stick an nvidia card in a PCI-e chassis and it will work on a laptop or Mac mini, but yes it isn't optimal.
- fortran77 7y ago
  "isn't optimal" is an understatement. It's downright wonky!
  - angry_octet 7y ago
    I've had good experiences with Magma PCIe expanders, for linux and macis, though they are firmly in the enterprise space. https://www.onestopsystems.com/pcie-expansion https://www.onestopsystems.com/pcie-expansion Ah, the joys of finding quirks in PCIe enumeration when you have PCIe switches and expansion bridges.

GordonS 7y ago

> it's hard to see what critical functionality Windows provides, that you can't get with Mac OS or Linux With MacOS, your choice of hardware is very limited, and you have to pay way over the odds for it. You also can't run a lot of games on it. With Linux, the desktop experience is, IMO, not as good as on Windows, and neither is driver support. Things have improved a lot here, but the UX is just not as polished as Windows. I do love Linux though - for servers, I wouldn't use anything else. I really like Windows 10 Pro/Enterprise (apart from dick moves like this, of course). I can build incredibly powerful desktop or laptop machines, in terms of RAM, CPU and GPU - and everything is more or less guaranteed to "just work", and be stable too. You get excellent multi-monitor and high-DPI support, good accessability features, Hyper-V for running VMs, Sandbox coming soon, WSL for a Linux-like experience - and WSL2 will soon make it even better. And of course your gaming options are much better too.