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As a happy Win8 user, that's exactly the reason why I switched from Win10 to Linux. Many offline functions need online to perform. It is sad.

by tapirl 7y ago

weka 7y ago
And I refuse to kowtow to a company who thinks its okay to purchase a stand for $1,000 for another piece of hardware you've additionally paid for.
- jen729w 7y ago
  Couldn’t resist a dig at Apple in a totally unrelated thread, eh? You know you can use any monitor you like. You don’t have to buy their $6,000 monitor. I’ve used Macs happily for years and have yet to spend that much on a monitor or a stand.
- paulcole 7y ago
  What company are you talking about?
  - jamie_ca 7y ago
    Apple, with the new Mac Pro. Mac starting at $6k, Screen starting at $5k, but the monitor itself is only good on a (I hope) VESA mount, if you want an ordinary desk stand it's an extra $1k. https://www.cnet.com/news/1000-apple-mac-pro-display-stand-sparks-anger-online/ https://www.cnet.com/news/1000-apple-mac-pro-display-stand-s...
    - ztjio 7y ago
      It's ridiculous to call it an "ordinary desk stand" it's anything but. A 100% perfectly calibrate weightlessly counterbalanced stand is a godsend for those who need it. The rest can get the VESA adapter instead. Furthermore, this is a product targeting a market that normally spends over $40,000 on a monitor without any mounting gear or stand to do the same work. Apple's display a bargain in context. If you think this is "an ordinary desk stand" then you are, without one iota of a doubt, absolutely not the consumer who needs or wants the device or even understands it.
      - frant-hartm 7y ago
        It's sad to see such victims of marketing.
        chipotle_coyote 7y ago
        While I'm 99% sure you're just trolling, on the 1% chance you're really not, the OP is absolutely correct in that Apple is positioning their $6000 monitor against $30K+ cinema editing monitors. They really exist. A lot of the Pro Display XDR specs are really very very clearly aimed at competing with them. Those specs may not be something you care about, but let's not pretend it's "yeah, whatever, I can get this other 6K monitor over here that's just as good for $499, man" deal. (Dell has an 8K monitor for under $4000, but the Apple monitor is 2.5 times brighter, has a contrast ratio that's over 750 times better, has 9 different reference modes, variable refresh rates specifically matched for film use -- you know, like a cinema editing monitor? Yeah, that.) Apple certainly made a bad marketing mistake with this monitor, but the mistake was marketing it as a $5000 monitor with a $1000 stand. If they'd just marketed it as a $6000 monitor -- and if they'd made it clear right then that there'd be a 5K option available for $1300, too -- they'd have saved themselves a whole lot of this nonsense.
        nordsieck 7y ago
        > the OP is absolutely correct in that Apple is positioning their $6000 monitor against $30K+ cinema editing monitors. If you want to see Apple's competition, the magic phrase is "reference monitor".
      - bitwize 7y ago
        To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the inherent superiority of Apple products...
      - lvoudour 7y ago
        >this is a product targeting a market that normally spends over $40,000 on a monitor without any mounting gear or stand to do the same work. Apple's display a bargain in context. Sure, the cost of the stand is peanuts to the overall cost, a pro will buy it without a blink - but that doesn't mean it's not overpriced. Same thing happens in every industry where professional tools come with extras and accessories not worth the price, but not worth the time to shop around either when the cost is a tiny fraction of the total
  - p1necone 7y ago
    To add on to what the other replier said - hilariously the monitor also doesn't come with VESA mounting holes standard - you have to buy an adapter separately for ~$100, so they screw you regardless of which stand option you want. Not sure why this was brought up under a reply about linux though.
    - dhhdhdsbdb 7y ago
      Im sorry, but I really don't understand your perspective. Does Porsche screw their customers when they charge $500 for an oil change? Is Coach "screwing" it's customer by charging that much for a purse? High five audio devices often don't have cabling that consumer devices do - is that screwing the consumer? I can appreciate that you don't want to pay that much, but how is it "screwing"?
      - taxidump 7y ago
        >but how is it "screwing"? Because all you get for $1000 is a one nice stand?
        oarsinsync 7y ago
        Good thing the Apple Watch is such a good bargain then, since all you get from Rolex for $10000 is one nice watch. Not all things in technology are created for all people. If you think selling a $6000 screen with a $900 discount if you only need a VESA mount because you already have a $2000 desk & mount setup is absurd, you’re not the target market.
        morsch 7y ago
        Good thing the Apple Watch is such a good bargain then, since all you get from Rolex for $10000 is one nice watch. A Rolex is a piece of jewelry, a status symbol. Might as well compare it with a Louis Vuitton handbag. What you are saying is that the display is desktop jewelry.
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terenceng2010 7y ago
I will stick with my windows 8.1 in my i5 third gen machine as late as possible, until either the support ends or the computer needs to be retired.
- clhodapp 7y ago
  That seems like a strange place to take a stand, since the specific brand of user hostility that pervades Windows 10 seems to have seen its origin in Windows 8
  - terenceng2010 7y ago
    Windows 8’s windows update is always quick and doesn’t interrupt your work for a long period. The only usability issue on it is the start screen, which can be fixed by installing the classic shell.

As a happy Win8 user, that's exactly the reason why I switched from Win10 to Linux. Many offline functions need online to perform. It is sad.

by tapirl 7y ago

As a happy Win8 user, that's exactly the reason why I switched from Win10 to Linux. Many offline functions need online to perform. It is sad.

weka 7y ago

And I refuse to kowtow to a company who thinks its okay to purchase a stand for $1,000 for another piece of hardware you've additionally paid for.

jen729w 7y ago
Couldn’t resist a dig at Apple in a totally unrelated thread, eh? You know you can use any monitor you like. You don’t have to buy their $6,000 monitor. I’ve used Macs happily for years and have yet to spend that much on a monitor or a stand.
paulcole 7y ago
What company are you talking about?
- jamie_ca 7y ago
  Apple, with the new Mac Pro. Mac starting at $6k, Screen starting at $5k, but the monitor itself is only good on a (I hope) VESA mount, if you want an ordinary desk stand it's an extra $1k. https://www.cnet.com/news/1000-apple-mac-pro-display-stand-sparks-anger-online/ https://www.cnet.com/news/1000-apple-mac-pro-display-stand-s...
  - ztjio 7y ago
    It's ridiculous to call it an "ordinary desk stand" it's anything but. A 100% perfectly calibrate weightlessly counterbalanced stand is a godsend for those who need it. The rest can get the VESA adapter instead. Furthermore, this is a product targeting a market that normally spends over $40,000 on a monitor without any mounting gear or stand to do the same work. Apple's display a bargain in context. If you think this is "an ordinary desk stand" then you are, without one iota of a doubt, absolutely not the consumer who needs or wants the device or even understands it.
    - frant-hartm 7y ago
      It's sad to see such victims of marketing.
      - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
        While I'm 99% sure you're just trolling, on the 1% chance you're really not, the OP is absolutely correct in that Apple is positioning their $6000 monitor against $30K+ cinema editing monitors. They really exist. A lot of the Pro Display XDR specs are really very very clearly aimed at competing with them. Those specs may not be something you care about, but let's not pretend it's "yeah, whatever, I can get this other 6K monitor over here that's just as good for $499, man" deal. (Dell has an 8K monitor for under $4000, but the Apple monitor is 2.5 times brighter, has a contrast ratio that's over 750 times better, has 9 different reference modes, variable refresh rates specifically matched for film use -- you know, like a cinema editing monitor? Yeah, that.) Apple certainly made a bad marketing mistake with this monitor, but the mistake was marketing it as a $5000 monitor with a $1000 stand. If they'd just marketed it as a $6000 monitor -- and if they'd made it clear right then that there'd be a 5K option available for $1300, too -- they'd have saved themselves a whole lot of this nonsense.
        nordsieck 7y ago
        > the OP is absolutely correct in that Apple is positioning their $6000 monitor against $30K+ cinema editing monitors. If you want to see Apple's competition, the magic phrase is "reference monitor".
    - bitwize 7y ago
      To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the inherent superiority of Apple products...
    - lvoudour 7y ago
      >this is a product targeting a market that normally spends over $40,000 on a monitor without any mounting gear or stand to do the same work. Apple's display a bargain in context. Sure, the cost of the stand is peanuts to the overall cost, a pro will buy it without a blink - but that doesn't mean it's not overpriced. Same thing happens in every industry where professional tools come with extras and accessories not worth the price, but not worth the time to shop around either when the cost is a tiny fraction of the total
- p1necone 7y ago
  To add on to what the other replier said - hilariously the monitor also doesn't come with VESA mounting holes standard - you have to buy an adapter separately for ~$100, so they screw you regardless of which stand option you want. Not sure why this was brought up under a reply about linux though.
  - dhhdhdsbdb 7y ago
    Im sorry, but I really don't understand your perspective. Does Porsche screw their customers when they charge $500 for an oil change? Is Coach "screwing" it's customer by charging that much for a purse? High five audio devices often don't have cabling that consumer devices do - is that screwing the consumer? I can appreciate that you don't want to pay that much, but how is it "screwing"?
    - taxidump 7y ago
      >but how is it "screwing"? Because all you get for $1000 is a one nice stand?
      - oarsinsync 7y ago
        Good thing the Apple Watch is such a good bargain then, since all you get from Rolex for $10000 is one nice watch. Not all things in technology are created for all people. If you think selling a $6000 screen with a $900 discount if you only need a VESA mount because you already have a $2000 desk & mount setup is absurd, you’re not the target market.
        morsch 7y ago
        Good thing the Apple Watch is such a good bargain then, since all you get from Rolex for $10000 is one nice watch. A Rolex is a piece of jewelry, a status symbol. Might as well compare it with a Louis Vuitton handbag. What you are saying is that the display is desktop jewelry.
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terenceng2010 7y ago

I will stick with my windows 8.1 in my i5 third gen machine as late as possible, until either the support ends or the computer needs to be retired.

clhodapp 7y ago
That seems like a strange place to take a stand, since the specific brand of user hostility that pervades Windows 10 seems to have seen its origin in Windows 8
- terenceng2010 7y ago
  Windows 8’s windows update is always quick and doesn’t interrupt your work for a long period. The only usability issue on it is the start screen, which can be fixed by installing the classic shell.