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It is bad, but I do not think you are stuck. But there are two fronts -- business offerings are going the same way. There is lots of pressure to use almost excl

It is bad, but I do not think you are stuck. But there are two fronts -- business offerings are going the same way. There is lots of pressure to use almost exclusively MS hosted services. And, in that market, not everything has a good replacement.

mastazi 7y ago
The reason why I feel like I’m stuck is based on my personal use case. Basically I need two things: A. Being able to use some proprietary software not available on Linux B. Being able to self build so I can select the HW that works for me With Linux I lose A and with Mac I would lose B. I’m thinking that a combo Mac Mini + Tower PC with Linux could work, but using two OSes at the same time, even with shared NAS, KVM switch etc., would not be the best in terms of UX (Edit I had mixed up “A” and “B” in my sentence)
- craftyguy 7y ago
  > A. Being able to use some proprietary software not available on Linux What software is this? Perhaps it runs under Wine?
  - mastazi 7y ago
    Adobe Suite, Ableton Live with various VST plugins. I’m going to investigate the Wine route, as I’m hearing that it supports many applications nowadays
    - Nux 7y ago
      None of the Adobe stuff works under Wine, alas.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - paulcarroty 7y ago
        Fake news! Use latest PS and Lr.
        tanr54ok 7y ago
        I’m not saying you’re wrong. But winedb gives garbage status to the latest, the installer on playonlinux is unverified and posted by a banned account. I have found no testimonial that the latest works now other than yours. So here’s the thing. Even if you’re right (and not confusing some older version as the latest.. that often happens in these discussions... what do you think is the latest version of adobe CC?), this is a terrible support story and not something that most pros that rely on adobe tools want to mess around with. One of the winedb reviews says this: “adjusting parameters in some effects such as lens blur makes program unusable (must kill app)” Wonderful.
        paulcarroty 7y ago
        > playonlinux is unverified playonlinux is dead last two years, authors decided to rewrite it. > what do you think is the latest version of adobe CC? 2019. About 1star reviews - guest mostly people are confused about installer, it doesn't works for years.
        tanr54ok 7y ago
        As I already mentioned even if it is just the installer that alone sets the tone for a poor support story. Additionally what of the various bugs that are filed and comments about missing or broken functionality. This is not something that most professionals want to dick with.
- mappu 7y ago
  If your proprietary product is in any way niche (i.e. not the usual adobe/autocad example) I would suggest petitioning the company to support Linux (or web) clients. Software developers are often pro-Linux and a few customer suggestions might be enough to force the issue.
  - mastazi 7y ago
    Oh yes that is always a good thing to do, even though Linux is not currently my main OS, I always tell devs they should support it.
- ViViDboarder 7y ago
  You could go the hackintosh route. Though I haven’t tried it in a decade or more, I’ve seen some people with pretty cool setups. Certainly more work to maintain than just Linux or an official Mac.
  - lasagnaphil 7y ago
    Recently hackintoshed a XPS 15 9550, and holy shit it became the best laptop I’ve used so far. Everything (including bluetooth and wifi) works, no butterfly keyboard shenanigans, still decent performance, lots of ports (including hdmi and usb 3), the touchpad works perfectly (with all multitouch gestures).
    - arbol 7y ago
      I don't suppose you have a link to a write up or guide you followed?
      - vetinari 7y ago
        Try r/hackintosh vanilla guide. You may find, that other guides are refering to old/obsolete tools, and thus will not work with current macOS. Also expect learning new things and spending several evenings trying. Compared to hackintosh, installing Linux on random hardware is a walk in the park.
        Wowfunhappy 7y ago
        > Also expect learning new things and spending several evenings trying. Compared to hackintosh, installing Linux on random hardware is a walk in the park. I've been a Hackintosh user for the past decade. I've not done it yet, but the next time I need to do a brand new Hackintosh setup, I'm planning on using ESXI. It seems perfect—you're getting very little performance loss in exchange for a setup which is (kind of) officially supported by Apple. Maybe when I actually do it, I'll discover some terrible downside, but it seems incredibly appealing.
- viraptor 7y ago
  What about C: use Linux for the main desktop, use Wine for things that require Windows, use a VM with windows exclusively to launch that one annoying app which won't work under wine?
  - tanr54ok 7y ago
    There isn’t just one app, there are plenty. Excel and adobe cs are the obvious ones. If you’re not in programming (exclusively) you’re stuck on Windows or Mac.
    - viraptor 7y ago
      Latest excel has gold level support: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=34983 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... I know there are plenty of things that don't work with wine, but realistically, how many of them does each person need to work, and how many are "defaults"? For example if you spend 90% of your time in illustrator, do you need excel specifically, or "an app with text in cells"? And if you're crunching market data in excel all day, do you need Adobe, or just something to draw an arrow on a screenshot?
      - rk06 7y ago
        You got those examples and mixed up
      - dkersten 7y ago
        I had a similar discussion with my mother recently. She was buying a new laptop and went to check it out in the shop a few days before she actually went to buy it. The lady in the shop on the first visit tried to upsell her some office package for some crazy money. I instead got her to think about what she actually needs and wants and got her to realize that for the odd document or letter she writes and prints (and doesn't share files with others where pixel perfect formatting is important), so a copy of Libre Office actually does everything she needs and then some, and saved her, I don't remember how much, $200 or something.
      - 7y ago
- snagglegaggle 7y ago
  Maybe is not appropriate to "convert" you here, but I recommend self building so you get good Linux support, and then running Windows in a VM. Usually you can run program in WINE, but VM should always work.
  - mastazi 7y ago
    Thank you. I’m hearing from many other comments in this thread that Wine works very well nowadays, I’ll give it a shot (alongside a Win VM) before investing in a Mac Mini
- rocho 7y ago
  If you have enough RAM you can run VirtualBox alongside your other programs on Linux. I used to run Android Studio in a Windows VirtualBox and it worked perfectly. Never had an issue.
  - chopin 7y ago
    I run that with no problems in Linux.
- spc476 7y ago
  I use the combo Mac Mini and PC tower at home. The crucial piece of software that makes this work for me is Synergy. It allows you to share a keyboard and mouse across Linux, Mac and Windows (and support cut-n-paste of text across all three). It works like a charm.

mastazi 7y ago

The reason why I feel like I’m stuck is based on my personal use case. Basically I need two things: A. Being able to use some proprietary software not available on Linux B. Being able to self build so I can select the HW that works for me With Linux I lose A and with Mac I would lose B. I’m thinking that a combo Mac Mini + Tower PC with Linux could work, but using two OSes at the same time, even with shared NAS, KVM switch etc., would not be the best in terms of UX (Edit I had mixed up “A” and “B” in my sentence)

craftyguy 7y ago
> A. Being able to use some proprietary software not available on Linux What software is this? Perhaps it runs under Wine?
- mastazi 7y ago
  Adobe Suite, Ableton Live with various VST plugins. I’m going to investigate the Wine route, as I’m hearing that it supports many applications nowadays
  - Nux 7y ago
    None of the Adobe stuff works under Wine, alas.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - paulcarroty 7y ago
      Fake news! Use latest PS and Lr.
      - tanr54ok 7y ago
        I’m not saying you’re wrong. But winedb gives garbage status to the latest, the installer on playonlinux is unverified and posted by a banned account. I have found no testimonial that the latest works now other than yours. So here’s the thing. Even if you’re right (and not confusing some older version as the latest.. that often happens in these discussions... what do you think is the latest version of adobe CC?), this is a terrible support story and not something that most pros that rely on adobe tools want to mess around with. One of the winedb reviews says this: “adjusting parameters in some effects such as lens blur makes program unusable (must kill app)” Wonderful.
        paulcarroty 7y ago
        > playonlinux is unverified playonlinux is dead last two years, authors decided to rewrite it. > what do you think is the latest version of adobe CC? 2019. About 1star reviews - guest mostly people are confused about installer, it doesn't works for years.
        tanr54ok 7y ago
        As I already mentioned even if it is just the installer that alone sets the tone for a poor support story. Additionally what of the various bugs that are filed and comments about missing or broken functionality. This is not something that most professionals want to dick with.
mappu 7y ago
If your proprietary product is in any way niche (i.e. not the usual adobe/autocad example) I would suggest petitioning the company to support Linux (or web) clients. Software developers are often pro-Linux and a few customer suggestions might be enough to force the issue.
- mastazi 7y ago
  Oh yes that is always a good thing to do, even though Linux is not currently my main OS, I always tell devs they should support it.
ViViDboarder 7y ago
You could go the hackintosh route. Though I haven’t tried it in a decade or more, I’ve seen some people with pretty cool setups. Certainly more work to maintain than just Linux or an official Mac.
- lasagnaphil 7y ago
  Recently hackintoshed a XPS 15 9550, and holy shit it became the best laptop I’ve used so far. Everything (including bluetooth and wifi) works, no butterfly keyboard shenanigans, still decent performance, lots of ports (including hdmi and usb 3), the touchpad works perfectly (with all multitouch gestures).
  - arbol 7y ago
    I don't suppose you have a link to a write up or guide you followed?
    - vetinari 7y ago
      Try r/hackintosh vanilla guide. You may find, that other guides are refering to old/obsolete tools, and thus will not work with current macOS. Also expect learning new things and spending several evenings trying. Compared to hackintosh, installing Linux on random hardware is a walk in the park.
      - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
        > Also expect learning new things and spending several evenings trying. Compared to hackintosh, installing Linux on random hardware is a walk in the park. I've been a Hackintosh user for the past decade. I've not done it yet, but the next time I need to do a brand new Hackintosh setup, I'm planning on using ESXI. It seems perfect—you're getting very little performance loss in exchange for a setup which is (kind of) officially supported by Apple. Maybe when I actually do it, I'll discover some terrible downside, but it seems incredibly appealing.
viraptor 7y ago
What about C: use Linux for the main desktop, use Wine for things that require Windows, use a VM with windows exclusively to launch that one annoying app which won't work under wine?
- tanr54ok 7y ago
  There isn’t just one app, there are plenty. Excel and adobe cs are the obvious ones. If you’re not in programming (exclusively) you’re stuck on Windows or Mac.
  - viraptor 7y ago
    Latest excel has gold level support: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=34983 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... I know there are plenty of things that don't work with wine, but realistically, how many of them does each person need to work, and how many are "defaults"? For example if you spend 90% of your time in illustrator, do you need excel specifically, or "an app with text in cells"? And if you're crunching market data in excel all day, do you need Adobe, or just something to draw an arrow on a screenshot?
    - rk06 7y ago
      You got those examples and mixed up
    - dkersten 7y ago
      I had a similar discussion with my mother recently. She was buying a new laptop and went to check it out in the shop a few days before she actually went to buy it. The lady in the shop on the first visit tried to upsell her some office package for some crazy money. I instead got her to think about what she actually needs and wants and got her to realize that for the odd document or letter she writes and prints (and doesn't share files with others where pixel perfect formatting is important), so a copy of Libre Office actually does everything she needs and then some, and saved her, I don't remember how much, $200 or something.
    - 7y ago
snagglegaggle 7y ago
Maybe is not appropriate to "convert" you here, but I recommend self building so you get good Linux support, and then running Windows in a VM. Usually you can run program in WINE, but VM should always work.
- mastazi 7y ago
  Thank you. I’m hearing from many other comments in this thread that Wine works very well nowadays, I’ll give it a shot (alongside a Win VM) before investing in a Mac Mini
rocho 7y ago
If you have enough RAM you can run VirtualBox alongside your other programs on Linux. I used to run Android Studio in a Windows VirtualBox and it worked perfectly. Never had an issue.
- chopin 7y ago
  I run that with no problems in Linux.
spc476 7y ago
I use the combo Mac Mini and PC tower at home. The crucial piece of software that makes this work for me is Synergy. It allows you to share a keyboard and mouse across Linux, Mac and Windows (and support cut-n-paste of text across all three). It works like a charm.