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No, I think it's cowardly regardless to spout his grievances at this particular moment. If he did not ask him to leave, that would make it despicable in my eyes

No, I think it's cowardly regardless to spout his grievances at this particular moment. If he did not ask him to leave, that would make it despicable in my eyes.

tptacek 7y ago
On the other hand, he at least had the courage to sign his name to what he had to say.
- craigsmansion 7y ago
  > he at least had the courage to sign his name to what he had to say. Which is neither here nor there, but thanks for playing.
- enriquto 7y ago
  he didn't, really. Only after the hordes were finishing RMS, he found the "courage" to speak
  - hutzlibu 7y ago
    Yes, because before he was scared of being finished by the hordes of RMS, for citicicing their idol. So yes, a weak person, but it is still telling, that now so many speak up who did not dare to do so before. Weak and pathetic? Maybe yes. But still telling about RMS.
    - enriquto 7y ago
      I do not understand your argument. Criticizing RMS harshly has been a regular past-time for thousands of people in computing since forever, even by close collaborators. It's not that the man had a police force to protect him, but he used to take criticism with dignity. I cannot see how anybody could have ever been afraid of criticizing RMS (unless, say, they were one of the handful of FSF employees, which is not the case). It is only when RMS has shown some "weakness" by resigning from his two alma maters due to journalistic pressure, that the rats jump in the criticism to finish the job.
      - hutzlibu 7y ago
        Yes, there are many rats and attention whores jumping in and it is truly disgusting. But FSF definitely also had and has some cult like mentality, with not much tolerance and not much restraint sometimes. So I can understand that people with low self esteem tried not to cause a shitstorm by speaking up.
hutzlibu 7y ago
Even if he did not dare to ask him to leave directly, because he is a weak coward, then this still makes RMS an asshole for not caring about the unwillingnes of his host.

No, I think it's cowardly regardless to spout his grievances at this particular moment. If he did not ask him to leave, that would make it despicable in my eyes.

tptacek 7y ago

On the other hand, he at least had the courage to sign his name to what he had to say.

craigsmansion 7y ago
> he at least had the courage to sign his name to what he had to say. Which is neither here nor there, but thanks for playing.
enriquto 7y ago
he didn't, really. Only after the hordes were finishing RMS, he found the "courage" to speak
- hutzlibu 7y ago
  Yes, because before he was scared of being finished by the hordes of RMS, for citicicing their idol. So yes, a weak person, but it is still telling, that now so many speak up who did not dare to do so before. Weak and pathetic? Maybe yes. But still telling about RMS.
  - enriquto 7y ago
    I do not understand your argument. Criticizing RMS harshly has been a regular past-time for thousands of people in computing since forever, even by close collaborators. It's not that the man had a police force to protect him, but he used to take criticism with dignity. I cannot see how anybody could have ever been afraid of criticizing RMS (unless, say, they were one of the handful of FSF employees, which is not the case). It is only when RMS has shown some "weakness" by resigning from his two alma maters due to journalistic pressure, that the rats jump in the criticism to finish the job.
    - hutzlibu 7y ago
      Yes, there are many rats and attention whores jumping in and it is truly disgusting. But FSF definitely also had and has some cult like mentality, with not much tolerance and not much restraint sometimes. So I can understand that people with low self esteem tried not to cause a shitstorm by speaking up.

hutzlibu 7y ago

Even if he did not dare to ask him to leave directly, because he is a weak coward, then this still makes RMS an asshole for not caring about the unwillingnes of his host.