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>Windows is a service Windows used to be a fucking operating system. That’s all I want it to be.

by egdod 7y ago

amiga-workbench 7y ago
Its pretty much the McDonalds of operating systems these days, I do not know how people put up with it.
- deleted 7y ago
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- crispinb 7y ago
  Because there are no good options. The best most people can achieve is the least-worst collection of trade-offs for their particular situation.
- manigandham 7y ago
  What else is any average user going to switch to exactly?
  - allset_ 7y ago
    Linux? Basically everything an average user does is in the browser.
    - manigandham 7y ago
      Except it isnt. Games, media, and all kinds of connected devices and hardware today makes Linux a non-starter. There have been startups before trying to do this, a famous one being Lindows. Never got anywhere.
    - crispinb 7y ago
      Only delusional ideologists even entertain the notion that the primary reason Linux hasn't caught on widely as a desktop OS is lack of preinstallation or marketing (or pick your corporate crime du jour). Desktop Linux has many uses (it's my main OS right now). But the reason it hasn't caught on widely is perfectly obviously that as technology for the regular consumer, it's bloody awful. Many Linux enthusiasts admit this perfectly readily, but for obscure reasons some insist on clutching Linux to their chests as an identity totem. This is probably less harmful than nationalism, so I guess I shouldn't object too much.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
      And it's that kind of arrogant computer nerd bullshit thinking that will forever keep Linux from success on the desktop.
    - arbitrary_name 7y ago
      As a privacy concerned individual who is more tech savvy than some (but by no means a technologist or even a dev) - NO. no freakin' way man. I tried to do a dual boot WIN/Linux setup once. What a shitshow - took me hours, multiple attempts, drivers not working, weird quirks trying to get peripherals to work, games not working. Recalling it now makes me angry all over again. 90% of this planet is not capable, nor will ever be capable, of dealing with something that is not a fully fledged, 'stable' mainstream OS, either Windows or Mac OS. That's not good, it's not bad - it just...is. Better get used to it, or come up with a better strategy for changing it.
      - crispinb 7y ago
        This is unfortunate but entirely true. I'm a software developer and though absolutely not a Linux expert of any kind, nevertheless very far from being a computer novice. But this is kind of my experience with Linux. I keep logs of configuration & software difficulties I have with OSs. My Linux one for this month is longer than my Windows & OSX ones for the past decade combined. And I'm writing here as (currently) a Linux user - it's the main OS on my work laptop because the things I like about it (stellar performance, notably from the filesystem, fantastic developer tooling) are more important to me than the difficult things. But the difficulties are numberless, and I accept that many things I take for granted on Windows or OSX just will never work well. Most of them could work, but I'll never have time to track down & absorb all the Arch wiki, SO & manpage resources I'd need to sort them out.
    - davidvgoliath 7y ago
      Install Gentoo. Everybody should Install Gentoo.
      - stOneskull 7y ago
        not gentoo haiku it's nearly out of beta i think it has games
    - jhasse 7y ago
      And browsers support Windows better (e.g. GPU acceleration).
    - detaro 7y ago
      You'd be surprised how many non-average users you find in most companies then.
  - amiga-workbench 7y ago
    Red Star OS might cut down on the spying, marginally.
- djaychela 7y ago
  Some are limited to having to use it - while still agreeing with the McDonalds assessment. For instance, I'm a musician , teacher and producer and I do most of my work in a DAW called Cubase. It runs on Windows or Mac, and my main workstation is on Windows. I've been banging on about how great it would be to have it running on Linux for maybe 20 years, but it'll never happen. I'm sure people will suggest switching to something like Bitwig (which does run on Linux), or any of the free options, but either they don't do everything I need (free options), or I just can't get used to using them and they still don't work in a way that I'm comfortable with after nearly 30 years using Cubase.
- pndy 7y ago
  You gotta literally workout hard to keep things under your control if you're a poweruser who's aware what happens under the hood - there are 3rd-party tools that help you achieve that. But if you're an "enthusiast" kind of user you probably don't bother at all with control over the system taken from you.
- Can_Not 7y ago
  Say what you want about McDonald's food quality/genericness, but their UX destroys windows in terms of dark patterns.

>Windows is a service Windows used to be a fucking operating system. That’s all I want it to be.

by egdod 7y ago

>Windows is a service Windows used to be a fucking operating system. That’s all I want it to be.

amiga-workbench 7y ago

Its pretty much the McDonalds of operating systems these days, I do not know how people put up with it.

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crispinb 7y ago
Because there are no good options. The best most people can achieve is the least-worst collection of trade-offs for their particular situation.
manigandham 7y ago
What else is any average user going to switch to exactly?
- allset_ 7y ago
  Linux? Basically everything an average user does is in the browser.
  - manigandham 7y ago
    Except it isnt. Games, media, and all kinds of connected devices and hardware today makes Linux a non-starter. There have been startups before trying to do this, a famous one being Lindows. Never got anywhere.
  - crispinb 7y ago
    Only delusional ideologists even entertain the notion that the primary reason Linux hasn't caught on widely as a desktop OS is lack of preinstallation or marketing (or pick your corporate crime du jour). Desktop Linux has many uses (it's my main OS right now). But the reason it hasn't caught on widely is perfectly obviously that as technology for the regular consumer, it's bloody awful. Many Linux enthusiasts admit this perfectly readily, but for obscure reasons some insist on clutching Linux to their chests as an identity totem. This is probably less harmful than nationalism, so I guess I shouldn't object too much.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
    And it's that kind of arrogant computer nerd bullshit thinking that will forever keep Linux from success on the desktop.
  - arbitrary_name 7y ago
    As a privacy concerned individual who is more tech savvy than some (but by no means a technologist or even a dev) - NO. no freakin' way man. I tried to do a dual boot WIN/Linux setup once. What a shitshow - took me hours, multiple attempts, drivers not working, weird quirks trying to get peripherals to work, games not working. Recalling it now makes me angry all over again. 90% of this planet is not capable, nor will ever be capable, of dealing with something that is not a fully fledged, 'stable' mainstream OS, either Windows or Mac OS. That's not good, it's not bad - it just...is. Better get used to it, or come up with a better strategy for changing it.
    - crispinb 7y ago
      This is unfortunate but entirely true. I'm a software developer and though absolutely not a Linux expert of any kind, nevertheless very far from being a computer novice. But this is kind of my experience with Linux. I keep logs of configuration & software difficulties I have with OSs. My Linux one for this month is longer than my Windows & OSX ones for the past decade combined. And I'm writing here as (currently) a Linux user - it's the main OS on my work laptop because the things I like about it (stellar performance, notably from the filesystem, fantastic developer tooling) are more important to me than the difficult things. But the difficulties are numberless, and I accept that many things I take for granted on Windows or OSX just will never work well. Most of them could work, but I'll never have time to track down & absorb all the Arch wiki, SO & manpage resources I'd need to sort them out.
  - davidvgoliath 7y ago
    Install Gentoo. Everybody should Install Gentoo.
    - stOneskull 7y ago
      not gentoo haiku it's nearly out of beta i think it has games
  - jhasse 7y ago
    And browsers support Windows better (e.g. GPU acceleration).
  - detaro 7y ago
    You'd be surprised how many non-average users you find in most companies then.
- amiga-workbench 7y ago
  Red Star OS might cut down on the spying, marginally.
djaychela 7y ago
Some are limited to having to use it - while still agreeing with the McDonalds assessment. For instance, I'm a musician , teacher and producer and I do most of my work in a DAW called Cubase. It runs on Windows or Mac, and my main workstation is on Windows. I've been banging on about how great it would be to have it running on Linux for maybe 20 years, but it'll never happen. I'm sure people will suggest switching to something like Bitwig (which does run on Linux), or any of the free options, but either they don't do everything I need (free options), or I just can't get used to using them and they still don't work in a way that I'm comfortable with after nearly 30 years using Cubase.
pndy 7y ago
You gotta literally workout hard to keep things under your control if you're a poweruser who's aware what happens under the hood - there are 3rd-party tools that help you achieve that. But if you're an "enthusiast" kind of user you probably don't bother at all with control over the system taken from you.
Can_Not 7y ago
Say what you want about McDonald's food quality/genericness, but their UX destroys windows in terms of dark patterns.