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> How about "sorry that I hurt feelings with insensitive wording"? Good thing, he already did that. https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_Septemb

> How about "sorry that I hurt feelings with insensitive wording"? Good thing, he already did that. https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September_2019_(Statements_about_Epstein) https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September... > allmost all rapist defend themself by saying the victim presented themself willingly In which case they (the rapists) are lying, otherwise they would not be rapists. What about victims of false rape reports though? Do they say that as often? > RMS just declared that the most plausible scenario that the epstein underage prostitute present herself willingly Are you saying that this is implausible or even unlikely that she presented herself to be willing to Minsky? (note: he did not say that she presented herself willingly, there is an important difference between the two) > if he has some empathy Apparently I do not have any empathy for not understanding what the issue with this statement is, thanks. I believe that you have adopted a very neurotypical view of empathy.

hutzlibu 7y ago
Well, good that he apoligied. But why did not someone said to to the parent, and just to me 2 levels deeper? But also maybe a more worded apology, that shows what caused the "misunderstanding" would be helpful. "Are you saying that this is implausible or even unlikely that she presented herself to be willing to Minsky? " I am saying I don't know any of the persons involved personally, live far away, so I would never make any statements regarding what actually happened. But in general yes, I believe when someone is coerced into prostitution, it should be obvious to spot real willingnes from forced one, unless you don't want to notice. "Apparently I do not have any empathy for not understanding what the issue with this statement is, thanks" And no, you do not, yes. Because the issue is sexism/patriacharlism. Strong men sexually abusing weak women/girls, what was the norm for centuries and was ok to do so (and in some parts of the world still is). And apparently also partly in the MIT, if Epstein had so much connection there. So in this context, when a victim makes an accusation - and someone uses the defence, "the victim appeared willing" than yes, you clearly lack empathy, to not see how that might hurt feelings and has a high chance of getting misunderstood. And that we have media, who does not care about truth, when there is a scandal and a scapegoat is a very sad other story.

hutzlibu 7y ago

Well, good that he apoligied. But why did not someone said to to the parent, and just to me 2 levels deeper? But also maybe a more worded apology, that shows what caused the "misunderstanding" would be helpful. "Are you saying that this is implausible or even unlikely that she presented herself to be willing to Minsky? " I am saying I don't know any of the persons involved personally, live far away, so I would never make any statements regarding what actually happened. But in general yes, I believe when someone is coerced into prostitution, it should be obvious to spot real willingnes from forced one, unless you don't want to notice. "Apparently I do not have any empathy for not understanding what the issue with this statement is, thanks" And no, you do not, yes. Because the issue is sexism/patriacharlism. Strong men sexually abusing weak women/girls, what was the norm for centuries and was ok to do so (and in some parts of the world still is). And apparently also partly in the MIT, if Epstein had so much connection there. So in this context, when a victim makes an accusation - and someone uses the defence, "the victim appeared willing" than yes, you clearly lack empathy, to not see how that might hurt feelings and has a high chance of getting misunderstood. And that we have media, who does not care about truth, when there is a scandal and a scapegoat is a very sad other story.