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It's interesting that the people who cite "freedom of association" as a justification for canceling people don't believe in freedom of association in other cont

It's interesting that the people who cite "freedom of association" as a justification for canceling people don't believe in freedom of association in other contexts, e.g. with respect to so-called "retalation" against corporate activists, which is just a company using its freedom of association. Freedom for me, but not for thee. I don't respect principles wielded selectively and as weapons.

tptacek 7y ago
I don't know what you're talking about but also don't know how you can coherently make an argument that people both have freedom of association and can't "cancel" people. Is "cancellation" simply what you call it when people exercise their freedom in a way you don't approve of?
- spookthesunset 7y ago
  You are wasting your time debating with people who use terminology like “cancel culture” or “SJW”. They aren’t interested in arguing in good faith. If it was any other forum, I’d suggest simply mock them and move on. Here, you are best just downvoting and moving on. If this forum wanted to avoid getting overrun by these people, they’d ban them. People who use terminology like “SJW” are toxic and spread like cancer, pushing away people interested in actual debate or intelligent conversation.
  - quotemstr 7y ago
    If Jesse Singal is your idea of a person who isn't "arguing in good faith" and who should be mocked, you're pretty far outside the mainstream. https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/on-cancel-culture-the-new-republic https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/on-cancel-culture-the-new... > pushing away people interested in actual debate or intelligent conversation. It's fascinating how "actual debate" and "intelligent conversation" mean, to you, avoiding words that you don't like. The most parsimonious explanation for the spread of these terms is that an increasing number of people intensely dislike the things to which these words refer --- and that every day they're less afraid of being called "toxic" for criticizing our culture of censorship and pitchfork mobs.
    - spookthesunset 7y ago
      No thanks, homeboy. I’m not gonna dance. You can go defend your alt-right words like “virtue signaling”, “SJW”, “cancel culture”, and all the other toxic trash you spew somewhere else, thanks.
      - tptacek 7y ago
        We probably agree about most of this stuff, but the way you're putting this is not helping.
        spookthesunset 7y ago
        Sorry. I have little patience arguing with alt-right types. They aren’t interested in anything but playing semantic word games until you get tired. They have little interest in debate, human empathy, or anything else. They are toxic people. Also my cat threw up on a book, so there is that problem too. You have far more patience than I do...

tptacek 7y ago

I don't know what you're talking about but also don't know how you can coherently make an argument that people both have freedom of association and can't "cancel" people. Is "cancellation" simply what you call it when people exercise their freedom in a way you don't approve of?

spookthesunset 7y ago
You are wasting your time debating with people who use terminology like “cancel culture” or “SJW”. They aren’t interested in arguing in good faith. If it was any other forum, I’d suggest simply mock them and move on. Here, you are best just downvoting and moving on. If this forum wanted to avoid getting overrun by these people, they’d ban them. People who use terminology like “SJW” are toxic and spread like cancer, pushing away people interested in actual debate or intelligent conversation.
- quotemstr 7y ago
  If Jesse Singal is your idea of a person who isn't "arguing in good faith" and who should be mocked, you're pretty far outside the mainstream. https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/on-cancel-culture-the-new-republic https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/on-cancel-culture-the-new... > pushing away people interested in actual debate or intelligent conversation. It's fascinating how "actual debate" and "intelligent conversation" mean, to you, avoiding words that you don't like. The most parsimonious explanation for the spread of these terms is that an increasing number of people intensely dislike the things to which these words refer --- and that every day they're less afraid of being called "toxic" for criticizing our culture of censorship and pitchfork mobs.
  - spookthesunset 7y ago
    No thanks, homeboy. I’m not gonna dance. You can go defend your alt-right words like “virtue signaling”, “SJW”, “cancel culture”, and all the other toxic trash you spew somewhere else, thanks.
    - tptacek 7y ago
      We probably agree about most of this stuff, but the way you're putting this is not helping.
      - spookthesunset 7y ago
        Sorry. I have little patience arguing with alt-right types. They aren’t interested in anything but playing semantic word games until you get tired. They have little interest in debate, human empathy, or anything else. They are toxic people. Also my cat threw up on a book, so there is that problem too. You have far more patience than I do...