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lol talk about out of touch. doesn't mention paying either. it's astounds me that people can be so dense that even after clear contradictions (don't be so obnox

lol talk about out of touch. doesn't mention paying either. it's astounds me that people can be so dense that even after clear contradictions (don't be so obnoxious that you lose your job) they persist.

dependenttypes 7y ago
Have you considered the possibility that he might not be able to pay? Also, I am sure that there are many people who would offer him somewhere to live, he has quite a few fans.
- EmeraldMoon 7y ago
  I honestly would love to offer him a room, but I'm nowhere near Boston. This guy is a FLOSS hero -- his thoughts and opinions beyond FLOSS do not matter to me.
  - happytoexplain 7y ago
    >his thoughts and opinions beyond FLOSS do not matter to me Why? That's an impressive amount of benefit of the doubt to give anybody, but so much more so if you're also willing to personally host that person. It's almost unbelievable. Do you in fact mean to say not that you don't care about his opinions, but that you simply have read about them and don't find them particularly condemnable?
    - EmeraldMoon 7y ago
      I have attended his talks, listened to podcasts and read some of his conversations on mailing lists. I can see why people may not like him, or the way he talks. But we disagree with people all the time. I would be willing to host him just for the conversations, and because I feel like it's the least I can do for a man who shaped much of the software that I use everyday.
    - Smithalicious 7y ago
      RMS' bad opinions hold the weight of a handful of average people at most while his opinions on FOSS hold the weight of thousands.
  - wwright 7y ago
    What if those thoughts and opinions undermine the effects of FLOsS?
    - EmeraldMoon 7y ago
      Do they though? If they really do, only then it makes sense to remove him from a position of power.
- mlevental 7y ago
  >Have you considered the possibility that he might not be able to pay? then maybe he should be a little more humble about what he expects? that's my point.
  - DoreenMichele 7y ago
    Low expectations and humility do not appear to be how he furthered free software as a movement in defiance of the world.
    - tptacek 7y ago
      I haven't seen so much hostility from the world so much as 25 years of people becoming wealthy by working on free software, but then, I've only been paying attention since the mid-1990s.
      - DoreenMichele 7y ago
        My remark certainly wasn't hostile towards RMS, so I'm really not clear what you mean.
        tptacek 7y ago
        I didn't say you were. I'm responding to your remark about the work Stallman did "in defiance of the world". I rather think the opposite happened, that Stallman (like several other people) made a judgement about how the world wanted to operate, and was proved (at least for the time period we're in now) correct.
        DoreenMichele 7y ago
        I used that phrase because his work did not get a lot of practical support (especially at first). It was quite a hard path to take. People were hardly throwing money at him and saying "You go!" or something. I generally agree with what little I understand of the principles behind his work. But "selling out" for money (and locking up code to facilitate that) was the trend he was defying and it's a vastly easier path than the one he chose.
- kace91 7y ago
  I’m not sure... I'm not even American, but RMS came to my city once to give a talk, lived for a few days at a student's house (who volunteered ofc) and apparently it was such a bad experience that rumours of it spread through the whole university - mainly hygiene issues. The host mentioned that he threw away the blankets rather than cleaning them. I didn't experience it personally, but rumours on the internet make me believe it's a relatively common experience...
em3rgent0rdr 7y ago
Even though Stallman unfortunately has some bad opinions, he is still widely respected, and people are willing to forgive, particularly if he does repent.
deogeo 7y ago
I too hate people that devote so much energy to a cause they believe in, that they neglect their own well-being, financial and otherwise. /sarcasm
- newnewpdro 7y ago
  Hate? I hope that's hyperbole. Some of the most significant human advances have been made by people obsessing over their passionate interests to the neglect of everything else.

dependenttypes 7y ago

Have you considered the possibility that he might not be able to pay? Also, I am sure that there are many people who would offer him somewhere to live, he has quite a few fans.

EmeraldMoon 7y ago
I honestly would love to offer him a room, but I'm nowhere near Boston. This guy is a FLOSS hero -- his thoughts and opinions beyond FLOSS do not matter to me.
- happytoexplain 7y ago
  >his thoughts and opinions beyond FLOSS do not matter to me Why? That's an impressive amount of benefit of the doubt to give anybody, but so much more so if you're also willing to personally host that person. It's almost unbelievable. Do you in fact mean to say not that you don't care about his opinions, but that you simply have read about them and don't find them particularly condemnable?
  - EmeraldMoon 7y ago
    I have attended his talks, listened to podcasts and read some of his conversations on mailing lists. I can see why people may not like him, or the way he talks. But we disagree with people all the time. I would be willing to host him just for the conversations, and because I feel like it's the least I can do for a man who shaped much of the software that I use everyday.
  - Smithalicious 7y ago
    RMS' bad opinions hold the weight of a handful of average people at most while his opinions on FOSS hold the weight of thousands.
- wwright 7y ago
  What if those thoughts and opinions undermine the effects of FLOsS?
  - EmeraldMoon 7y ago
    Do they though? If they really do, only then it makes sense to remove him from a position of power.
mlevental 7y ago
>Have you considered the possibility that he might not be able to pay? then maybe he should be a little more humble about what he expects? that's my point.
- DoreenMichele 7y ago
  Low expectations and humility do not appear to be how he furthered free software as a movement in defiance of the world.
  - tptacek 7y ago
    I haven't seen so much hostility from the world so much as 25 years of people becoming wealthy by working on free software, but then, I've only been paying attention since the mid-1990s.
    - DoreenMichele 7y ago
      My remark certainly wasn't hostile towards RMS, so I'm really not clear what you mean.
      - tptacek 7y ago
        I didn't say you were. I'm responding to your remark about the work Stallman did "in defiance of the world". I rather think the opposite happened, that Stallman (like several other people) made a judgement about how the world wanted to operate, and was proved (at least for the time period we're in now) correct.
        DoreenMichele 7y ago
        I used that phrase because his work did not get a lot of practical support (especially at first). It was quite a hard path to take. People were hardly throwing money at him and saying "You go!" or something. I generally agree with what little I understand of the principles behind his work. But "selling out" for money (and locking up code to facilitate that) was the trend he was defying and it's a vastly easier path than the one he chose.
kace91 7y ago
I’m not sure... I'm not even American, but RMS came to my city once to give a talk, lived for a few days at a student's house (who volunteered ofc) and apparently it was such a bad experience that rumours of it spread through the whole university - mainly hygiene issues. The host mentioned that he threw away the blankets rather than cleaning them. I didn't experience it personally, but rumours on the internet make me believe it's a relatively common experience...

em3rgent0rdr 7y ago

Even though Stallman unfortunately has some bad opinions, he is still widely respected, and people are willing to forgive, particularly if he does repent.

deogeo 7y ago

I too hate people that devote so much energy to a cause they believe in, that they neglect their own well-being, financial and otherwise. /sarcasm

newnewpdro 7y ago
Hate? I hope that's hyperbole. Some of the most significant human advances have been made by people obsessing over their passionate interests to the neglect of everything else.