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https://stallman.org/seeking-housing.html https://stallman.org/seeking-housing.html

mlevental 7y ago
lol talk about out of touch. doesn't mention paying either. it's astounds me that people can be so dense that even after clear contradictions (don't be so obnoxious that you lose your job) they persist.
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  Have you considered the possibility that he might not be able to pay? Also, I am sure that there are many people who would offer him somewhere to live, he has quite a few fans.
  - EmeraldMoon 7y ago
    I honestly would love to offer him a room, but I'm nowhere near Boston. This guy is a FLOSS hero -- his thoughts and opinions beyond FLOSS do not matter to me.
    - happytoexplain 7y ago
      >his thoughts and opinions beyond FLOSS do not matter to me Why? That's an impressive amount of benefit of the doubt to give anybody, but so much more so if you're also willing to personally host that person. It's almost unbelievable. Do you in fact mean to say not that you don't care about his opinions, but that you simply have read about them and don't find them particularly condemnable?
      - EmeraldMoon 7y ago
        I have attended his talks, listened to podcasts and read some of his conversations on mailing lists. I can see why people may not like him, or the way he talks. But we disagree with people all the time. I would be willing to host him just for the conversations, and because I feel like it's the least I can do for a man who shaped much of the software that I use everyday.
      - Smithalicious 7y ago
        RMS' bad opinions hold the weight of a handful of average people at most while his opinions on FOSS hold the weight of thousands.
    - wwright 7y ago
      What if those thoughts and opinions undermine the effects of FLOsS?
      - EmeraldMoon 7y ago
        Do they though? If they really do, only then it makes sense to remove him from a position of power.
  - mlevental 7y ago
    >Have you considered the possibility that he might not be able to pay? then maybe he should be a little more humble about what he expects? that's my point.
    - DoreenMichele 7y ago
      Low expectations and humility do not appear to be how he furthered free software as a movement in defiance of the world.
      - tptacek 7y ago
        I haven't seen so much hostility from the world so much as 25 years of people becoming wealthy by working on free software, but then, I've only been paying attention since the mid-1990s.
        DoreenMichele 7y ago
        My remark certainly wasn't hostile towards RMS, so I'm really not clear what you mean.
        tptacek 7y ago
        I didn't say you were. I'm responding to your remark about the work Stallman did "in defiance of the world". I rather think the opposite happened, that Stallman (like several other people) made a judgement about how the world wanted to operate, and was proved (at least for the time period we're in now) correct.
        DoreenMichele 7y ago
        I used that phrase because his work did not get a lot of practical support (especially at first). It was quite a hard path to take. People were hardly throwing money at him and saying "You go!" or something. I generally agree with what little I understand of the principles behind his work. But "selling out" for money (and locking up code to facilitate that) was the trend he was defying and it's a vastly easier path than the one he chose.
  - kace91 7y ago
    I’m not sure... I'm not even American, but RMS came to my city once to give a talk, lived for a few days at a student's house (who volunteered ofc) and apparently it was such a bad experience that rumours of it spread through the whole university - mainly hygiene issues. The host mentioned that he threw away the blankets rather than cleaning them. I didn't experience it personally, but rumours on the internet make me believe it's a relatively common experience...
- em3rgent0rdr 7y ago
  Even though Stallman unfortunately has some bad opinions, he is still widely respected, and people are willing to forgive, particularly if he does repent.
- deogeo 7y ago
  I too hate people that devote so much energy to a cause they believe in, that they neglect their own well-being, financial and otherwise. /sarcasm
  - newnewpdro 7y ago
    Hate? I hope that's hyperbole. Some of the most significant human advances have been made by people obsessing over their passionate interests to the neglect of everything else.
loeg 7y ago
https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1173981287037751297 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1173981287037751297
- serf 7y ago
  >So let's talk about Richard Stallman, because it has come to my attention that people outside of a certain segment of the tech scene have no idea what horrible behavior he routinely engages in. that whole thread is a pretty gross social lynch mob, if I do say so myself. not condoning RMS, but I don't feel too great about any get-together where the topic at hand is , quite literally, let's speak ill of someone.
  - tptacek 7y ago
    Miguel de Icaza agreed to allow Stallman to stay at his place for a couple days. Stallman grossly overstayed, and later invited another person(!) to stay with him in the room he was borrowing from de Icaza. That is, to say the least, relevant information for anyone else who might consider lending him a guest bedroom.
    - serf 7y ago
      >That is, to say the least, relevant information for anyone else who might consider lending him a guest bedroom. Sure, but that's not what's going on in that thread. It's basically just a pissing contest, with participants across the internet, about 'ridiculous' stories involving RMS. A link to the famous rms-foot meme is by no means a warning to future hospitable folks. It's not some neighborhood watch newsletter to warn about a predator, it's just a bunch of people who have been given the social go-ahead to share stories that they wouldn't otherwise have -- while simultaneously vying for social credit from others with regards to how hospitable they say they were. In other words, i'm not buying the supposed good intentions 'we must warn others' perspective here. If anything, it seems like group therapy for those that feel scorned by RMS to get together and share war-stories. That's fine -- but let's not paint it like they're adamantly trying to prevent RMS from victimizing someone. Back in my day it was called 'gossiping', and it was usually poor form.
panpanna 7y ago
https://twitter.com/marypcbuk/status/1174043618459430914?s=20 https://twitter.com/marypcbuk/status/1174043618459430914?s=2...
- knolax 7y ago
  It's amazing that a professional journalist can't even spell "fond" right.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    It's not so amazing that a professional journalist might have autocorrect on the device they use to Tweet on their personal account.
- scoopertrooper 7y ago
  Back to the pet store with Crackers then :(
  - deleted 7y ago
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jc__denton 7y ago
Didn't Stallman live in his MIT office for awhile?

lol talk about out of touch. doesn't mention paying either. it's astounds me that people can be so dense that even after clear contradictions (don't be so obnoxious that you lose your job) they persist.

dependenttypes 7y ago
Have you considered the possibility that he might not be able to pay? Also, I am sure that there are many people who would offer him somewhere to live, he has quite a few fans.
- EmeraldMoon 7y ago
  I honestly would love to offer him a room, but I'm nowhere near Boston. This guy is a FLOSS hero -- his thoughts and opinions beyond FLOSS do not matter to me.
  - happytoexplain 7y ago
    >his thoughts and opinions beyond FLOSS do not matter to me Why? That's an impressive amount of benefit of the doubt to give anybody, but so much more so if you're also willing to personally host that person. It's almost unbelievable. Do you in fact mean to say not that you don't care about his opinions, but that you simply have read about them and don't find them particularly condemnable?
    - EmeraldMoon 7y ago
      I have attended his talks, listened to podcasts and read some of his conversations on mailing lists. I can see why people may not like him, or the way he talks. But we disagree with people all the time. I would be willing to host him just for the conversations, and because I feel like it's the least I can do for a man who shaped much of the software that I use everyday.
    - Smithalicious 7y ago
      RMS' bad opinions hold the weight of a handful of average people at most while his opinions on FOSS hold the weight of thousands.
  - wwright 7y ago
    What if those thoughts and opinions undermine the effects of FLOsS?
    - EmeraldMoon 7y ago
      Do they though? If they really do, only then it makes sense to remove him from a position of power.
- mlevental 7y ago
  >Have you considered the possibility that he might not be able to pay? then maybe he should be a little more humble about what he expects? that's my point.
  - DoreenMichele 7y ago
    Low expectations and humility do not appear to be how he furthered free software as a movement in defiance of the world.
    - tptacek 7y ago
      I haven't seen so much hostility from the world so much as 25 years of people becoming wealthy by working on free software, but then, I've only been paying attention since the mid-1990s.
      - DoreenMichele 7y ago
        My remark certainly wasn't hostile towards RMS, so I'm really not clear what you mean.
        tptacek 7y ago
        I didn't say you were. I'm responding to your remark about the work Stallman did "in defiance of the world". I rather think the opposite happened, that Stallman (like several other people) made a judgement about how the world wanted to operate, and was proved (at least for the time period we're in now) correct.
        DoreenMichele 7y ago
        I used that phrase because his work did not get a lot of practical support (especially at first). It was quite a hard path to take. People were hardly throwing money at him and saying "You go!" or something. I generally agree with what little I understand of the principles behind his work. But "selling out" for money (and locking up code to facilitate that) was the trend he was defying and it's a vastly easier path than the one he chose.
- kace91 7y ago
  I’m not sure... I'm not even American, but RMS came to my city once to give a talk, lived for a few days at a student's house (who volunteered ofc) and apparently it was such a bad experience that rumours of it spread through the whole university - mainly hygiene issues. The host mentioned that he threw away the blankets rather than cleaning them. I didn't experience it personally, but rumours on the internet make me believe it's a relatively common experience...
em3rgent0rdr 7y ago
Even though Stallman unfortunately has some bad opinions, he is still widely respected, and people are willing to forgive, particularly if he does repent.
deogeo 7y ago
I too hate people that devote so much energy to a cause they believe in, that they neglect their own well-being, financial and otherwise. /sarcasm
- newnewpdro 7y ago
  Hate? I hope that's hyperbole. Some of the most significant human advances have been made by people obsessing over their passionate interests to the neglect of everything else.

loeg 7y ago

https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1173981287037751297 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1173981287037751297

serf 7y ago
>So let's talk about Richard Stallman, because it has come to my attention that people outside of a certain segment of the tech scene have no idea what horrible behavior he routinely engages in. that whole thread is a pretty gross social lynch mob, if I do say so myself. not condoning RMS, but I don't feel too great about any get-together where the topic at hand is , quite literally, let's speak ill of someone.
- tptacek 7y ago
  Miguel de Icaza agreed to allow Stallman to stay at his place for a couple days. Stallman grossly overstayed, and later invited another person(!) to stay with him in the room he was borrowing from de Icaza. That is, to say the least, relevant information for anyone else who might consider lending him a guest bedroom.
  - serf 7y ago
    >That is, to say the least, relevant information for anyone else who might consider lending him a guest bedroom. Sure, but that's not what's going on in that thread. It's basically just a pissing contest, with participants across the internet, about 'ridiculous' stories involving RMS. A link to the famous rms-foot meme is by no means a warning to future hospitable folks. It's not some neighborhood watch newsletter to warn about a predator, it's just a bunch of people who have been given the social go-ahead to share stories that they wouldn't otherwise have -- while simultaneously vying for social credit from others with regards to how hospitable they say they were. In other words, i'm not buying the supposed good intentions 'we must warn others' perspective here. If anything, it seems like group therapy for those that feel scorned by RMS to get together and share war-stories. That's fine -- but let's not paint it like they're adamantly trying to prevent RMS from victimizing someone. Back in my day it was called 'gossiping', and it was usually poor form.

panpanna 7y ago

https://twitter.com/marypcbuk/status/1174043618459430914?s=20 https://twitter.com/marypcbuk/status/1174043618459430914?s=2...

knolax 7y ago
It's amazing that a professional journalist can't even spell "fond" right.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  It's not so amazing that a professional journalist might have autocorrect on the device they use to Tweet on their personal account.
scoopertrooper 7y ago
Back to the pet store with Crackers then :(
- deleted 7y ago
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jc__denton 7y ago

Didn't Stallman live in his MIT office for awhile?