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Why is this linking to the wayback machine? This blog post is live on the same website at the same url. https://gregable.com/2010/09/why-you-should-know-just-l

by j2kun 7y ago

Why is this linking to the wayback machine? This blog post is live on the same website at the same url. https://gregable.com/2010/09/why-you-should-know-just-little-awk.html https://gregable.com/2010/09/why-you-should-know-just-little...

grzm 7y ago
Some people link to archive.org to future-proof against dead urls.
- why-oh-why 7y ago
  That’s kinda backwards. One should point to the source and if that is no longer available then fire up the Machine. In this case the archive.org link is a 403 for me while the original works.
  - thawaway1837 7y ago
    I like what Firefox does where if a site 404s it checks to see if there is a Wayback Machine snapshot for it and automatically loads it.
    - eternalny1 7y ago
      Firefox doesn't do that. An extension to Firefox does.
  - kazinator 7y ago
    I suspect you misunderstand some of the point. When you make a posting on HN or anywhere else and cite a URL, that URL could go down years later. Your historic posting then has a dangling URL. You can't go back and edit old postings to fix it. Also, some content changes. The URL is valid, but the cited material is not there. With the archive, you can point to a specific date when that was retrieved.
    - cbaleanu 7y ago
      I get a 403 as well, no point in linking to something unaccessible just because reasons. Gdpr is hard but people in Europe should not be denied access just for the sake of immutable URIs
      - johnisgood 7y ago
        Wait what? https://web.archive.org https://web.archive.org is inaccessible to you because you are European? FWIW: I am European, and it works for me.
- OrgNet 7y ago
  it's kind of rude, it's a bit like Google showing large snippets in the web search results so that users never have to leave google.com
dang 7y ago
Yeah, that's bad. It's important to use the canonical URL, among other reasons so the site name shows up correctly. Changed now. ingve is an excellent submitter who doesn't normally do that, so I'm sure there was some reason.

by j2kun 7y ago

grzm 7y ago

Some people link to archive.org to future-proof against dead urls.

why-oh-why 7y ago
That’s kinda backwards. One should point to the source and if that is no longer available then fire up the Machine. In this case the archive.org link is a 403 for me while the original works.
- thawaway1837 7y ago
  I like what Firefox does where if a site 404s it checks to see if there is a Wayback Machine snapshot for it and automatically loads it.
  - eternalny1 7y ago
    Firefox doesn't do that. An extension to Firefox does.
- kazinator 7y ago
  I suspect you misunderstand some of the point. When you make a posting on HN or anywhere else and cite a URL, that URL could go down years later. Your historic posting then has a dangling URL. You can't go back and edit old postings to fix it. Also, some content changes. The URL is valid, but the cited material is not there. With the archive, you can point to a specific date when that was retrieved.
  - cbaleanu 7y ago
    I get a 403 as well, no point in linking to something unaccessible just because reasons. Gdpr is hard but people in Europe should not be denied access just for the sake of immutable URIs
    - johnisgood 7y ago
      Wait what? https://web.archive.org https://web.archive.org is inaccessible to you because you are European? FWIW: I am European, and it works for me.
OrgNet 7y ago
it's kind of rude, it's a bit like Google showing large snippets in the web search results so that users never have to leave google.com

dang 7y ago

Yeah, that's bad. It's important to use the canonical URL, among other reasons so the site name shows up correctly. Changed now. ingve is an excellent submitter who doesn't normally do that, so I'm sure there was some reason.