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While I don't agree that your argument was high-quality: Paul Graham: I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement. Obviously the uparro

by kick 7y ago

While I don't agree that your argument was high-quality: Paul Graham: I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement. Obviously the uparrows aren't only for applauding politeness, so it seems reasonable that the downarrows aren't only for booing rudeness. It only becomes abuse when people resort to karma bombing: downvoting a lot of comments by one user without reading them in order to subtract maximum karma. Fortunately we now have several levels of software to protect against that. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 News Guidelines: Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

verizonuser 7y ago
Thanks for clarifying and stating your opinion about the quality of my comment. However, seems a bit too broad-stroke to use downvoting for both the (lack of) quality of the comment and to express disagreement.
- kick 7y ago
  I do not personally have downmod capabilities, but I don't think it is necessarily too broad: If you interpret it as "People shouldn't read this", it seems reasonable.
  - Cpoll 7y ago
    I think equating "I disagree" with "people shouldn't read this" is problematic for a forum that wants to encourage discourse.
    - vidarh 7y ago
      Revise that slightly to 'it is a waste if time to read this' maybe. I downvote quite rarely in HN over disagreeing with someone. Usually it is when I don't feel the reply adds any value, and is actually negative for the discourse. That is, e.g doesn't reach me anything about the opposing position, or is argumentative without any substance, but distracting from comments that are more constructive. Of course other people use different judgement. At the same time, HN doesn't hide comments to a great extent. Even 'dead' comments are optionally visible (with the 'showdead' setting) and quite a few of us read HN with that on. It's very rare for downvotes to silence people here who aren't actively disruptive. Couple that with first enabling downvotes when people hit a certain karma threshold, and various other limitations, and HN is free of a lot of the downvote problems of other places. That to me makes it less of an issue if people downvote to signal disapproval here. Often initial downvotes will be countered when people feel a comment has been downvotes too much as well.
    - dodobirdlord 7y ago
      HN doesn't want to encourage discourse, it wants to encourage worthwhile discourse, and the distinction is significant. Consider "people shouldn't read this" as short for "Having made the mistake of wasting my time reading this, I will flag it to help others to not make the same mistake."
- jholman 7y ago
  I thought it was a comment that deserved an upvote. But I always always downvote complaints about downvotes, such as your edit.

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verizonuser 7y ago

Thanks for clarifying and stating your opinion about the quality of my comment. However, seems a bit too broad-stroke to use downvoting for both the (lack of) quality of the comment and to express disagreement.

kick 7y ago
I do not personally have downmod capabilities, but I don't think it is necessarily too broad: If you interpret it as "People shouldn't read this", it seems reasonable.
- Cpoll 7y ago
  I think equating "I disagree" with "people shouldn't read this" is problematic for a forum that wants to encourage discourse.
  - vidarh 7y ago
    Revise that slightly to 'it is a waste if time to read this' maybe. I downvote quite rarely in HN over disagreeing with someone. Usually it is when I don't feel the reply adds any value, and is actually negative for the discourse. That is, e.g doesn't reach me anything about the opposing position, or is argumentative without any substance, but distracting from comments that are more constructive. Of course other people use different judgement. At the same time, HN doesn't hide comments to a great extent. Even 'dead' comments are optionally visible (with the 'showdead' setting) and quite a few of us read HN with that on. It's very rare for downvotes to silence people here who aren't actively disruptive. Couple that with first enabling downvotes when people hit a certain karma threshold, and various other limitations, and HN is free of a lot of the downvote problems of other places. That to me makes it less of an issue if people downvote to signal disapproval here. Often initial downvotes will be countered when people feel a comment has been downvotes too much as well.
  - dodobirdlord 7y ago
    HN doesn't want to encourage discourse, it wants to encourage worthwhile discourse, and the distinction is significant. Consider "people shouldn't read this" as short for "Having made the mistake of wasting my time reading this, I will flag it to help others to not make the same mistake."
jholman 7y ago
I thought it was a comment that deserved an upvote. But I always always downvote complaints about downvotes, such as your edit.