Hmm... I think you are misreading his point. He seems to be pointing out that there are other things that are more important and that this seems to be a waste o

Hmm... I think you are misreading his point. He seems to be pointing out that there are other things that are more important and that this seems to be a waste of time. Broadly I agree. One problematic reply I think is: >We should fix both immediate problems and the fundamental ethics issues that perpetuate an exploitative mindset. Animal rights are part of that. Until we have a really good test for animal intelligence and some tractable way to map that to utility I think this is seriously misguided. At the end of the day the wants of a human supersede the wants of an orangutan, even if only by force. Do I think there is much utility in how this orangutan was treated? Not really. But am I allowed to exploit the orangutan? Yes, to the same extent I have a right to life.