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How do you reconcile the fact that I've bought it with the fact that it's not "mine to do whatever I want with"? Ownership is the state of exclusive rights and
by StavrosK 7y ago
How do you reconcile the fact that I've bought it with the fact that it's not "mine to do whatever I want with"?
Ownership is the state of exclusive rights and control over property, which I don't have when I buy an Apple device. Either they shouldn't say they're selling it (they can say they're leasing it to me) or they should give me all rights.
- lotsofpulp 7y agoWorld isn’t so black and white. There are restrictions on many things you “own”. Land, certain chemicals, technologies, etc. I like to think of “owning” in the developed world simply as a right to collect rent from someone else.
- StavrosK 7y ago> There are restrictions on many things you “own”. Are any of these restrictions there so a private third party can decide what you do with your property?
- edoceo 7y agoYes, land rights for example. Someone else decides what you're allowed to build and/or dig.
- StavrosK 7y agoWhich private party decides that?
- edoceo 7y agoHome Owners Association, Neighborhood Association, Historical Society, etc
- oarsinsync 7y agoThe municipal council approves all building plans. Just because you own the land doesn’t mean you have the right to build whatever you want on it without approval. At least, that’s true in at least one state in the USA.
- ckcheng 7y agoThe neighbor or utility providers have a say if there's an easement, e.g. you can't build as to block their right-of-way access for maintenance purposes, despite your ownership over the land. Also the developers and architectural controls can make decisions affecting what you build (down to the color you paint outside), before they turn things over to the city. All subject to local laws of course, so may vary city to city.
- tedunangst 7y agoAnother example is the Visual Artists Rights Act. You may own the painting, sculpture, etc., but you are not allowed to modify or destroy it.
- paulcole 7y agoWhen you buy a car, you don’t get an airplane. Maybe you can figure out how to make it one but don’t cry when you can’t.
- StavrosK 7y agoThis analogy is apt, because I was clearly complaining that my phone wasn't a spaceship.
- paulcole 7y agoYou knowingly bought one thing while wishing it was something else. Blame the company for that if you want but they didn’t have a gun to your head.
- StavrosK 7y agoI'm not saying they misrepresented the transaction that occurred. I'm saying I don't own the phone I bought, Apple does. I'm just leasing it from them.
- paulcole 7y agoI guess I just don’t understand your definition of ownership or leasing. This just sounds to me like you’re complaining that you’re only leasing your fork because you bought a spoon.
- StavrosK 7y agoI bought a computer that can't run whatever code I want. That's not ownership. That's buying a fork that hangs on a chain in the manufacturer's house. Yes, I "own" it, yes it's better than no fork, but if I can't eat whatever I want with it, it's not really mine. I don't know what people aren't getting about this. You bought a computer that can only run code that Apple has explicitly approved. How is this ownership?
- Rylinks 7y agothis is like saying you don't own a lock because it won't open if you've lost the key
- StavrosK 7y agoNo, it's like saying I don't own a lock because Apple keeps the key and I have to call them and ask them to unlock it for me every time.